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	<title>Comments on: 37Signals Lost the Signal (for a Moment)</title>
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	<description>Connecting the dots ...</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was confused for a while... so let me just clarify: the above comment is probably addressed to Matt, the poster of the original article at Signal vs Noise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was confused for a while&#8230; so let me just clarify: the above comment is probably addressed to Matt, the poster of the original article at Signal vs Noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to this comment you made about halfway down the page &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/useless_absurd_must_need_appalled_just_infuriating_essential_etc.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back there&lt;/a&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;

ML 12 Apr 06

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure these emails are silly, demanding and disrespectful, but so is posting them to the company blog.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Support emails/requests is one of the most common topics of conversation internally at 37signals. Instead of hiding behind closed doors, we’re being open about it.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you take a dump on the front lawn? Some things should be private, including snarky commentary about communications from customers and potential customers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to this comment you made about halfway down the page <a href="http://http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/useless_absurd_must_need_appalled_just_infuriating_essential_etc.php" rel="nofollow">back there</a><br />
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<p>ML 12 Apr 06</p>
<blockquote><p>Sure these emails are silly, demanding and disrespectful, but so is posting them to the company blog.</p></blockquote>
<p>Support emails/requests is one of the most common topics of conversation internally at 37signals. Instead of hiding behind closed doors, we’re being open about it.</p>
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<p>Do you take a dump on the front lawn? Some things should be private, including snarky commentary about communications from customers and potential customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoli's Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 02:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gold Medal for Listening to Customers&lt;/strong&gt;

And the Gold goes to: Vyew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Gold Medal for Listening to Customers</strong></p>
<p>And the Gold goes to: Vyew.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Thanks for commenting here.  To quote from your (actually Jason&#039;s) final comment on the famous thread: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Everyone’s had their say.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

We agree to disagree ...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting here.  To quote from your (actually Jason&#8217;s) final comment on the famous thread: &#8220;<em>Everyone’s had their say.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>We agree to disagree &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the author of the post at Signal vs. Noise.

We didn&#039;t ridicule/mock our customers nor did we intend to. We used our customers own words. We quoted directly. If you feel that quoting someone directly is equivalent to mocking them...well, we disagree.

Fwiw, we don&#039;t think the requests were stupid and we do value customer feedback. We showed theses comments so people can see the different realities that exist for individual customers vs. companies vs. the customer base as a whole.

Why share this info at all? The truth is these sorts of conversations are happening all the time in companies all over. Is it better that they be hidden from the public or is it better to have an open, honest dialogue about them?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the author of the post at Signal vs. Noise.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t ridicule/mock our customers nor did we intend to. We used our customers own words. We quoted directly. If you feel that quoting someone directly is equivalent to mocking them&#8230;well, we disagree.</p>
<p>Fwiw, we don&#8217;t think the requests were stupid and we do value customer feedback. We showed theses comments so people can see the different realities that exist for individual customers vs. companies vs. the customer base as a whole.</p>
<p>Why share this info at all? The truth is these sorts of conversations are happening all the time in companies all over. Is it better that they be hidden from the public or is it better to have an open, honest dialogue about them?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a cretinous way to run a company but at least their complete cluelessness is out in the open for all to see. Maybe they&#039;ll learn from that.

Otherwise we&#039;re looking at good ol&#039; IT command and control. And if memory serves me right, it is this attitude that gets so many projects in trouble.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a cretinous way to run a company but at least their complete cluelessness is out in the open for all to see. Maybe they&#8217;ll learn from that.</p>
<p>Otherwise we&#8217;re looking at good ol&#8217; IT command and control. And if memory serves me right, it is this attitude that gets so many projects in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Central Desktop Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Central Desktop Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;May God Curse Our Company the Day We Mock Our Customers&lt;/strong&gt;

I debated about whether or not to post this for two days now.  My hesitation mainly derived out of fear of others potentiall...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>May God Curse Our Company the Day We Mock Our Customers</strong></p>
<p>I debated about whether or not to post this for two days now.  My hesitation mainly derived out of fear of others potentiall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Zoli.  Too bad they lost the signal -- what a shame.  They had so much promise.  Remind me to never send 37 Signals an email on ANY subject lest it be ridiculed in public.

Anita

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Zoli.  Too bad they lost the signal &#8212; what a shame.  They had so much promise.  Remind me to never send 37 Signals an email on ANY subject lest it be ridiculed in public.</p>
<p>Anita</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/04/12/37signals-lost-the-signal-for-a-moment/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a case for both being able to push back to your clients when they request things that are not in line with the products soul, or listening to them.

BUT.. there is also a strong case for listening even if your initial hunch is to push back:

If you proble your clients &quot;feature-request&quot; a little more and engage in a discussion, because I have come to realize that behind some very specific feature requests, there often lies a deeper unaddressed issue or need which may be solved in a way that is in line with both the products direction and the users request.

For full disclosure: I am currently in the process of developing a product that is not wholly unsimilar to Basecamp (it is called AgendaPoint, and available at &lt;strong&gt;www.agendapoint.com&lt;/strong&gt;).

I recently had a case where a user requested some radical changes to how to-do lists where managed. Now, I wasn&#039;t going to do that, but after probing what the reasoning for his request was, I was able to find out his issue was &quot;too many clicks&quot; to get things done, so I was able to make him happy while keeping in line with the vision of simplicity by simply minimizing the need for clicking around.

(actually it wasn&#039;t only &quot;in line&quot; with the vision, listening for the REAL issue made the product get even closer to the vision).

The moral? Do listen, but listen for their real needs, issues and objections, which may be something completely different from their initial request. But in the end, you have more to loose by not listening, than giving people the respect and time of listening to what they REALLY want.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a case for both being able to push back to your clients when they request things that are not in line with the products soul, or listening to them.</p>
<p>BUT.. there is also a strong case for listening even if your initial hunch is to push back:</p>
<p>If you proble your clients &#8220;feature-request&#8221; a little more and engage in a discussion, because I have come to realize that behind some very specific feature requests, there often lies a deeper unaddressed issue or need which may be solved in a way that is in line with both the products direction and the users request.</p>
<p>For full disclosure: I am currently in the process of developing a product that is not wholly unsimilar to Basecamp (it is called AgendaPoint, and available at <strong><a href="http://www.agendapoint.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.agendapoint.com</a></strong>).</p>
<p>I recently had a case where a user requested some radical changes to how to-do lists where managed. Now, I wasn&#8217;t going to do that, but after probing what the reasoning for his request was, I was able to find out his issue was &#8220;too many clicks&#8221; to get things done, so I was able to make him happy while keeping in line with the vision of simplicity by simply minimizing the need for clicking around.</p>
<p>(actually it wasn&#8217;t only &#8220;in line&#8221; with the vision, listening for the REAL issue made the product get even closer to the vision).</p>
<p>The moral? Do listen, but listen for their real needs, issues and objections, which may be something completely different from their initial request. But in the end, you have more to loose by not listening, than giving people the respect and time of listening to what they REALLY want.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dharmesh, we&#039;re on the same wavelength ... in more ways than juist this one. I followed the link to your site ... we should talk - my email link is avail from &quot;above me&quot; under my pic.

Thanks,

Zoli

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dharmesh, we&#8217;re on the same wavelength &#8230; in more ways than juist this one. I followed the link to your site &#8230; we should talk &#8211; my email link is avail from &#8220;above me&#8221; under my pic.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Zoli</p>
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