Comments on: Web 2.0 in the Enterprise – Round …n.. (I can’t keep track) http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/ Connecting the dots ... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:03:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? | CloudAve http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-18755 Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? | CloudAve Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:07:23 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-18755 [...] discussion today - see long comment here. And Hutch's title certainly reminded me of when I warned: Don’t try to run your supply chain on a wiki.  That was more than three years ago.  Yet I am not ditching wikis - they are less [...] [...] discussion today – see long comment here. And Hutch's title certainly reminded me of when I warned: Don’t try to run your supply chain on a wiki.  That was more than three years ago.  Yet I am not ditching wikis – they are less [...]

]]> By: Enterprise Software: from ERP to BRP| Zoli’s Blog http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-10467 Enterprise Software: from ERP to BRP| Zoli’s Blog Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:08:19 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-10467 [...] tools like wikis are the one and only mantra for most businesses (see my previous rant on “you can’t run your supply chain on a wiki“), they have their own place and should complement each other. Standard business processes [...] [...] tools like wikis are the one and only mantra for most businesses (see my previous rant on “you can’t run your supply chain on a wiki“), they have their own place and should complement each other. Standard business processes [...]

]]> By: Tim Bartel http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-543 Tim Bartel Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:07:45 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-543 Well, I just translated a German language survey as part of the study "Wikis in Enterprises" to English. You can find it here: <a href="http://wikipedistik.de/survey/" rel="nofollow">http://wikipedistik.de/survey/</a> It would be great if you take it and spread out the word ;-) The results will be published anonymously in a few weeks. In research of my diploma thesis I found a lot of enterprises using wikis, but only a few really use them "completly integrated" (see your last sentence...) Well, I just translated a German language survey as part of the study “Wikis in Enterprises” to English. You can find it here: http://wikipedistik.de/survey/

It would be great if you take it and spread out the word ;-)

The results will be published anonymously in a few weeks.

In research of my diploma thesis I found a lot of enterprises using wikis, but only a few really use them “completly integrated” (see your last sentence…)

]]> By: assaf http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-542 assaf Sat, 27 May 2006 08:37:07 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-542 If by Web 2.0 we mean Flickr, Digg, YouTube, and their likes, I'm not sure about the value to the Enterprise. If by Web 2.0 we mean wiki, tags, and Web office, I think those are a small enough set of technologies that being specific of each one (what it does and doesn't) is more important than rehashing the same old "investigate new technologies carefully, deploy at edge". (Consultants/analysts, however, are advised to keep repeating the mantras with each new technology delivery) If by Web 2.0 we mean that whole thing that is happening around us, the lightweight apps, the mashups, the user-centric UIs ... those are all the results of being agile, using simple technologies, focusing on value ahead of architecture, but mostly but mostly staying away from enterprisey red tape. If you're an enterprise that needs outside counsel to tell you to be agile and use technologies with low barrier to entry, my advise is: Don't waste your time learning about wikis. Figure out why you haven't done that before, and fix that. If by Web 2.0 we mean Flickr, Digg, YouTube, and their likes, I’m not sure about the value to the Enterprise.

If by Web 2.0 we mean wiki, tags, and Web office, I think those are a small enough set of technologies that being specific of each one (what it does and doesn’t) is more important than rehashing the same old “investigate new technologies carefully, deploy at edge”.

(Consultants/analysts, however, are advised to keep repeating the mantras with each new technology delivery)

If by Web 2.0 we mean that whole thing that is happening around us, the lightweight apps, the mashups, the user-centric UIs … those are all the results of being agile, using simple technologies, focusing on value ahead of architecture, but mostly but mostly staying away from enterprisey red tape.

If you’re an enterprise that needs outside counsel to tell you to be agile and use technologies with low barrier to entry, my advise is: Don’t waste your time learning about wikis. Figure out why you haven’t done that before, and fix that.

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-541 Zoli Erdos Sat, 27 May 2006 07:02:43 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-541 And to take what you're saying a step further, I've heard some speculation of SAP-on-a-stick - small business version on a USB. No, it's not an announcement, just at the play-with-the-idea level. But the point I raised is not cost, or any specific technology. I am a big fan of social software (be it wiki, blog, or whatever is created tomorrow) which is an enabler of creative collaboration, largely not based on predefined rules and structures, but on individual initiatives. Let's not jump overboard though, <i>Process is not dead</i>, and if there is any area that needs predefined processes, workflow, structure, rules and exceptions (all the ugly words) it is Supply Chain. Eliminating all the above in favor of the freedom of Web 2.0 leads to chaos... And to take what you’re saying a step further, I’ve heard some speculation of SAP-on-a-stick – small business version on a USB. No, it’s not an announcement, just at the play-with-the-idea level.

But the point I raised is not cost, or any specific technology. I am a big fan of social software (be it wiki, blog, or whatever is created tomorrow) which is an enabler of creative collaboration, largely not based on predefined rules and structures, but on individual initiatives. Let’s not jump overboard though, Process is not dead, and if there is any area that needs predefined processes, workflow, structure, rules and exceptions (all the ugly words) it is Supply Chain. Eliminating all the above in favor of the freedom of Web 2.0 leads to chaos…

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-540 Dennis Howlett Sat, 27 May 2006 06:46:16 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/26/web-20-in-the-enterprise-round-n-i-cant-keep-track/#comment-540 I'm going to challenge this one - in brief. 'Don't try to run your supply chain on a wiki" - maybe not today. But think Zoli - in 1997, having the technology to engage in this discussion would cost what? $30K? $50K?. Building a mesh telco trial would have cost? $$millions - today? $100K tops. The world of development has moved on. I can see RSS as a form of integration. What cost today, minimum for a global enterprise? $5, 10, 20 million? EDI for the masses? Today? $500 million if you're GXS. I'm looking at a project where we're talking $10 million - max over 3 years capable of bringing on board 400,000 connections per year without missing a beat. So cost isn't a barrier - it's the tech that's yet to be proven. Yet I'm hearing about SAP on Rails. How cool might that be? And in any event, is it so bad that the edge should start liquifying the centre? Today may not be the day to run your SC on a wiki, but it might be tomorrow. I’m going to challenge this one – in brief. ‘Don’t try to run your supply chain on a wiki” – maybe not today. But think Zoli – in 1997, having the technology to engage in this discussion would cost what? $30K? $50K?. Building a mesh telco trial would have cost? $$millions – today? $100K tops.

The world of development has moved on. I can see RSS as a form of integration. What cost today, minimum for a global enterprise? $5, 10, 20 million?

EDI for the masses? Today? $500 million if you’re GXS. I’m looking at a project where we’re talking $10 million – max over 3 years capable of bringing on board 400,000 connections per year without missing a beat.

So cost isn’t a barrier – it’s the tech that’s yet to be proven. Yet I’m hearing about SAP on Rails. How cool might that be? And in any event, is it so bad that the edge should start liquifying the centre?

Today may not be the day to run your SC on a wiki, but it might be tomorrow.

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