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		<title>By: My Daily Vista Rant, or Why Desktop Software is a Failed Model &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-13865</link>
		<dc:creator>My Daily Vista Rant, or Why Desktop Software is a Failed Model &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I go on?  Desktop software is a failed model. It served us well for the first two decades of personal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zolierdos (Zoli Erdos)</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-14738</link>
		<dc:creator>zolierdos (Zoli Erdos)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/stevemann&quot;&gt;@stevemann&lt;/a&gt; http://tinyurl.com/65qg2q - but, yes, I hear ya, SAP mandates MS... although if GE could move to Zoho .... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/stevemann">@stevemann</a> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/65qg2q" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/65qg2q</a> &#8211; but, yes, I hear ya, SAP mandates MS&#8230; although if GE could move to Zoho &#8230;. <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: amn</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-12836</link>
		<dc:creator>amn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, no more of this Webapps talk. Computers are designed to run code in a process memory, and frankly, the only reasons your apps are so slow, is because they come from big companies that care squat for you, the only thing they care about is selling volume for their mediocre applications. Welcome to capitalism.

If you think Net applications are faster, you again, are mistaken. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes your machine (which is not a screamer by your own words) to render an AJAX page. If you want to run layers on top of layers just because you think the bottom layer dont cut it anymore, thats a weird logic. Absolutely no reason for Web apps to not become as bloated as our desktop software has become, and instead of trying to change the paradigm, try to advocate change in desktop software instead, because the resources on the bottom layer are just more vast. A CPU executing a native process is potentially 100x faster if not by thousands, than that same CPU executing AJAX code. And the gap will never really close. If you dont care about speed, you should at least care about your power bill. If the whole computer user planet switches to webapps, the resource usage of every machine goes up and makes a not so small contribution to our already prevalent (thanks to idiots similiar to those sitting in board rooms in Silicon Valley) energy crisis.

You are right in your dissatisfaction, but you propose the wrong solution. I, for one, do not want to live in a web browser during my user session.

Find and install people who write real software instead.

Thank you for reading, I apologise for emotions. After all, i am only human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, no more of this Webapps talk. Computers are designed to run code in a process memory, and frankly, the only reasons your apps are so slow, is because they come from big companies that care squat for you, the only thing they care about is selling volume for their mediocre applications. Welcome to capitalism.</p>
<p>If you think Net applications are faster, you again, are mistaken. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes your machine (which is not a screamer by your own words) to render an AJAX page. If you want to run layers on top of layers just because you think the bottom layer dont cut it anymore, thats a weird logic. Absolutely no reason for Web apps to not become as bloated as our desktop software has become, and instead of trying to change the paradigm, try to advocate change in desktop software instead, because the resources on the bottom layer are just more vast. A CPU executing a native process is potentially 100x faster if not by thousands, than that same CPU executing AJAX code. And the gap will never really close. If you dont care about speed, you should at least care about your power bill. If the whole computer user planet switches to webapps, the resource usage of every machine goes up and makes a not so small contribution to our already prevalent (thanks to idiots similiar to those sitting in board rooms in Silicon Valley) energy crisis.</p>
<p>You are right in your dissatisfaction, but you propose the wrong solution. I, for one, do not want to live in a web browser during my user session.</p>
<p>Find and install people who write real software instead.</p>
<p>Thank you for reading, I apologise for emotions. After all, i am only human.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-11988</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree that SaaS is a powerful force.  I was just now cleaning up my laptop, which I do from time to time.  It&#039;s a Dell Inspiron 2200 from a few years back, running XP, and it serves me well.  
I was looking at programs in the Add/Remove list and wondering what I could delete.  I found it much easier to delete random little programs that I have not used in a year or more.  Much easier that it was even a year ago.  The reason is that I figure that if I need a certain functionality, say star charts, or a music editor, I can likely find an online app to use.  If not now, then soon.
So my attitude toward my laptop is changing.  I do all of my development on a machine owned by my employee, located 1200 miles away.  That&#039;s where I have Sql Server, Office, Visual Studio, and other large apps installed.  But the machines at my home, desktop or laptop, just don&#039;t need that much on them (a Nintendo 64 satisfies my gaming needs!)  They really are just portals into other machines or online apps.
I am using Google Apps more and more, and just started with Zoho (I really like the scratch spreadsheet - just what I need 50% of the time!).  The only Office holdout on my laptop is Visio.  I do need that from time to time.  But those times are becoming less often!

Cheers,
Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree that SaaS is a powerful force.  I was just now cleaning up my laptop, which I do from time to time.  It&#8217;s a Dell Inspiron 2200 from a few years back, running XP, and it serves me well.<br />
I was looking at programs in the Add/Remove list and wondering what I could delete.  I found it much easier to delete random little programs that I have not used in a year or more.  Much easier that it was even a year ago.  The reason is that I figure that if I need a certain functionality, say star charts, or a music editor, I can likely find an online app to use.  If not now, then soon.<br />
So my attitude toward my laptop is changing.  I do all of my development on a machine owned by my employee, located 1200 miles away.  That&#8217;s where I have Sql Server, Office, Visual Studio, and other large apps installed.  But the machines at my home, desktop or laptop, just don&#8217;t need that much on them (a Nintendo 64 satisfies my gaming needs!)  They really are just portals into other machines or online apps.<br />
I am using Google Apps more and more, and just started with Zoho (I really like the scratch spreadsheet &#8211; just what I need 50% of the time!).  The only Office holdout on my laptop is Visio.  I do need that from time to time.  But those times are becoming less often!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with above: I think that you should use less boldface.

Also, the problem isn&#039;t with applications installed on the desktop - the problem is with what applications you&#039;re running.  avast! is lower footprint than Norton, Thunderbird is lower footprint than Outlook (right?), Opera is lower footprint than IE or Firefox 2.* (and I hear good things about Firefox 3), and of course OS X and Ubuntu both are much lower footprint than Vista.  You don&#039;t need a screamer to run office on an XP desktop with a virus scanner running in the background - hell, I did it on a 700MHz CPU, 256MB RAM computer for 2 years.  Say what you want about performance, but at least concede that having the full application in RAM is not the only problem here.

There is something quite nice about taking my laptop, files and all, on flights with me (to name one example).  Don&#039;t tell me that VLC, Mathematica, or iTunes (all of which I use on flights regularly) should be Saas.

Seriously consider finding alternative software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with above: I think that you should use less boldface.</p>
<p>Also, the problem isn&#8217;t with applications installed on the desktop &#8211; the problem is with what applications you&#8217;re running.  avast! is lower footprint than Norton, Thunderbird is lower footprint than Outlook (right?), Opera is lower footprint than IE or Firefox 2.* (and I hear good things about Firefox 3), and of course OS X and Ubuntu both are much lower footprint than Vista.  You don&#8217;t need a screamer to run office on an XP desktop with a virus scanner running in the background &#8211; hell, I did it on a 700MHz CPU, 256MB RAM computer for 2 years.  Say what you want about performance, but at least concede that having the full application in RAM is not the only problem here.</p>
<p>There is something quite nice about taking my laptop, files and all, on flights with me (to name one example).  Don&#8217;t tell me that VLC, Mathematica, or iTunes (all of which I use on flights regularly) should be Saas.</p>
<p>Seriously consider finding alternative software.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoli Erdos</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-8011</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His time will come :-)</description>
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		<title>By: bse</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-8010</link>
		<dc:creator>bse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A company I worked for in 2003 - let me say that again, in bold: 2003 - attempted to centralise its database.  Essentially, it was doing what you&#039;re suggesting in this post; running the most business-critical app on an online system based in Vancouver (we were in London).

At the time, it simply didn&#039;t work.  Broadband wasn&#039;t reliable enough.

Now, in 2008, I&#039;m pushing for my company to move to an online database system.  I believe uptimes have improved enough that it will work, and I believe that the improvements in the company gained by the ability to communicate between sites will more than compensate for the odd few minutes of downtime that still occur (usually because of our crappy router, but I know how to kick that back into life).

And my boss won&#039;t believe me :(  Doesn&#039;t think it will be reliable enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A company I worked for in 2003 &#8211; let me say that again, in bold: 2003 &#8211; attempted to centralise its database.  Essentially, it was doing what you&#8217;re suggesting in this post; running the most business-critical app on an online system based in Vancouver (we were in London).</p>
<p>At the time, it simply didn&#8217;t work.  Broadband wasn&#8217;t reliable enough.</p>
<p>Now, in 2008, I&#8217;m pushing for my company to move to an online database system.  I believe uptimes have improved enough that it will work, and I believe that the improvements in the company gained by the ability to communicate between sites will more than compensate for the odd few minutes of downtime that still occur (usually because of our crappy router, but I know how to kick that back into life).</p>
<p>And my boss won&#8217;t believe me <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   Doesn&#8217;t think it will be reliable enough.</p>
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		<title>By: QuickBooks Mac 2006-7 update nuking disks. Lawsuits? : AccMan</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-7742</link>
		<dc:creator>QuickBooks Mac 2006-7 update nuking disks. Lawsuits? : AccMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the age of crappy software. QuickBooks is not alone, this incident is just more dramatic than the typical update failures. Even when updates don’t fail, they are becoming a nuisance&#8230; Proponents of Cloud computing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-7268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about data ownership &amp; survivability?  what about the inherit weakness of needing the &#039;pipe&#039; to access your data and applications?
I think the merits of online apps are obvious, but I&#039;m concerned about gmail or anyone else for that matter having the data.  There are issues of potability, too - how can I be sure that I can move my data &amp; apps when I want to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about data ownership &amp; survivability?  what about the inherit weakness of needing the &#8216;pipe&#8217; to access your data and applications?<br />
I think the merits of online apps are obvious, but I&#8217;m concerned about gmail or anyone else for that matter having the data.  There are issues of potability, too &#8211; how can I be sure that I can move my data &amp; apps when I want to?</p>
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		<title>By: Zoli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Would We Need a New Desktop OS?</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/03/06/desktop-software-a-failed-model/#comment-2006</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Would We Need a New Desktop OS?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] arms race.&#160; For productivity / business use, the trend is just the opposite: with the move to Web Applications, wee need less CPU, storage, memory (well, maybe not that, with zillions of FireFox tabs [...]</description>
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