Comments on: Blinded by Vista Sales Success http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/ Connecting the dots ... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:03:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ready for Vista Final? (Code-named Windows 7) | CloudAve http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-14266 Ready for Vista Final? (Code-named Windows 7) | CloudAve Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:01:52 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-14266 [...] to XP, it is still booked as a Vista sale!  Like I’ve said before, don’t be blinded by Vista sales numbers.  No wonder MS omitted the Vista licence count during last week’s earnings [...] [...] to XP, it is still booked as a Vista sale!  Like I’ve said before, don’t be blinded by Vista sales numbers.  No wonder MS omitted the Vista licence count during last week’s earnings [...]

]]> By: TIm http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-10234 TIm Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:47:20 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-10234 Sure Vista is the best thing MS has done for Linux! My User database has grown 1000% and I no Longer worry about complaints. like their systems incompatablities the only hard thing is setting up shockwave with wine and installing java into debian the only 2 hard things to setup, but then agin without viruses please leave me some work to do:) In any case most of these clients after about 2 months initail setteling in then I wont hear from them unless they buy new hardware they want hookedup. Since switching from Dev/support/tech only with MS to Linux Dev/support/tech I have actually increased my Income at least 200% Sure Vista is the best thing MS has done for Linux! My User database has grown 1000% and I no Longer worry about complaints. like their systems incompatablities the only hard thing is setting up shockwave with wine and installing java into debian the only 2 hard things to setup, but then agin without viruses please leave me some work to do:) In any case most of these clients after about 2 months initail setteling in then I wont hear from them unless they buy new hardware they want hookedup. Since switching from Dev/support/tech only with MS to Linux Dev/support/tech I have actually increased my Income at least 200%

]]> By: Windows XP Twice as Fast as Vista?| Zoli’s Blog http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-7317 Windows XP Twice as Fast as Vista?| Zoli’s Blog Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:51:08 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-7317 [...] we buy  computers: try to get one without Vista.   (Fact: most of Microsoft’s Vista Revenue comes from the OEM [...] [...] we buy  computers: try to get one without Vista.   (Fact: most of Microsoft’s Vista Revenue comes from the OEM [...]

]]> By: Paul http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-7171 Paul Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:51:13 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-7171 I provide consumer PC support services for a living. As far as Vista is concerned, I am now receiving at least 3 calls a weeks from people who want Vista removed from their new PC/laptop purchase and replaced with XP. Even after upgrading their systems to 2GB memory and disabling Vista's security feature, they still don't think it's fast enough for the work they do. And if it means having to buy a new webcam when drivers are unavailable for the embedded webcam, so be it. I hear about people whose new Vista PCs sit mostly unused, with their owners doing most of their work on their older Windows machines. Even with Microsoft's extension of XP sales, retailers still do not want to go to the trouble of getting you a PC with XP because of their very low profit margins. I have machines with both XP and Vista (both of which are tweaked for performance), and after six months I hardly use the Vista PC anymore. Too many issues come up with Vista. I provide consumer PC support services for a living. As far as Vista is concerned, I am now receiving at least 3 calls a weeks from people who want Vista removed from their new PC/laptop purchase and replaced with XP. Even after upgrading their systems to 2GB memory and disabling Vista’s security feature, they still don’t think it’s fast enough for the work they do. And if it means having to buy a new webcam when drivers are unavailable for the embedded webcam, so be it. I hear about people whose new Vista PCs sit mostly unused, with their owners doing most of their work on their older Windows machines. Even with Microsoft’s extension of XP sales, retailers still do not want to go to the trouble of getting you a PC with XP because of their very low profit margins. I have machines with both XP and Vista (both of which are tweaked for performance), and after six months I hardly use the Vista PC anymore. Too many issues come up with Vista.

]]> By: Gadi Shamia http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6800 Gadi Shamia Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:31:27 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6800 I can't agree with Zoli more. Without knowing, I designed a great benchmark for Vista: I bought a new Thinkpad X61, identical to a work machine I had, loaded with XP. I was happy to get the new Thinkpad with Vista on it- as many, I was curious and wanted to play with it. As I have written in my blog, MSFT messed up with the most basic parameter, speed. Everything takes so much longer on the Vista laptop. True, Windows was slower than DOS when it first came out but it was dramatically better in UI and ease of use. What is dramatically better about Vista??? http://gadishamia.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/what-windows-vista-failed-to-do/ I can’t agree with Zoli more. Without knowing, I designed a great benchmark for Vista: I bought a new Thinkpad X61, identical to a work machine I had, loaded with XP. I was happy to get the new Thinkpad with Vista on it- as many, I was curious and wanted to play with it. As I have written in my blog, MSFT messed up with the most basic parameter, speed. Everything takes so much longer on the Vista laptop.
True, Windows was slower than DOS when it first came out but it was dramatically better in UI and ease of use. What is dramatically better about Vista???

http://gadishamia.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/what-windows-vista-failed-to-do/

]]> By: Alex G http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6785 Alex G Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:39:36 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6785 Zoli, I believe that the pc manufacturers, mainly dell, simply gave into the cries of the blogosphere, which in its turn made some consumers worry and ask for XP instead of Vista when they wouldn't care otherwise. It's perfectly normal for a brand new OS to have initial driver issues. That was the case with 95, 98, XP and same in Vista. It's impossible to roll out a new major version of kernel and have no compatibility issues. Try to do so results in a huge mess (for example, IE team has attempted to just that). To me windows just works. Because the worse case scenario is a linux desktop, as much progress that it made in recent years, it's still light years behind on drivers and usability. OSX in this case counts for nothing because it runs on a completely cosed system and it's very easy to perfect stability and drivers when you have only a couple of hundred, maybe thousands hardware combination as opposed to millions which windows and linux must support. Sure, Vista has flaws and bugs, just like any other operating system. Some people are unfortunate that their hardware combination causes them to have more issues. While I haven't had a single crash or problem in over a year on Vista, trying to install Ubuntu 7.04 on the very same box resulted in absolutely nothing - live cd didn't event boot. Vista has been very solid in my experience and i very much enjoy the new office. Windows monopoly is a double sided coin. On one side you have all the bad things that come with corporate power. On the other side you have a single OS and a single standard which gives developers the ability to develop once and reach 90% of the market. Without one solid platform, the IT world would easily be in chaos that linux is now. The only reason why linux is seeing a rise and development now is because of the major players backing select distributions. Now you can develop linux software and test it in 3-6 major distros instead of 30-60. Some things need to be centralized and have standards behind them. More often than not both are achieved by corporate backing and there's just no getting away from it. Zoli, I believe that the pc manufacturers, mainly dell, simply gave into the cries of the blogosphere, which in its turn made some consumers worry and ask for XP instead of Vista when they wouldn’t care otherwise.

It’s perfectly normal for a brand new OS to have initial driver issues. That was the case with 95, 98, XP and same in Vista. It’s impossible to roll out a new major version of kernel and have no compatibility issues. Try to do so results in a huge mess (for example, IE team has attempted to just that).

To me windows just works. Because the worse case scenario is a linux desktop, as much progress that it made in recent years, it’s still light years behind on drivers and usability. OSX in this case counts for nothing because it runs on a completely cosed system and it’s very easy to perfect stability and drivers when you have only a couple of hundred, maybe thousands hardware combination as opposed to millions which windows and linux must support.

Sure, Vista has flaws and bugs, just like any other operating system. Some people are unfortunate that their hardware combination causes them to have more issues. While I haven’t had a single crash or problem in over a year on Vista, trying to install Ubuntu 7.04 on the very same box resulted in absolutely nothing – live cd didn’t event boot.

Vista has been very solid in my experience and i very much enjoy the new office.

Windows monopoly is a double sided coin. On one side you have all the bad things that come with corporate power. On the other side you have a single OS and a single standard which gives developers the ability to develop once and reach 90% of the market. Without one solid platform, the IT world would easily be in chaos that linux is now.

The only reason why linux is seeing a rise and development now is because of the major players backing select distributions. Now you can develop linux software and test it in 3-6 major distros instead of 30-60.

Some things need to be centralized and have standards behind them. More often than not both are achieved by corporate backing and there’s just no getting away from it.

]]> By: Jim Wylie http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6783 Jim Wylie Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:54:18 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6783 HI I am another early vista adopter. I did have some NVidia problems with my dual core AMD four monitor vista machine but everything has been fine now for months. Love it in fact. Find going back to XP a clunky experience. I am a windows developer and have mostly MS software on the machine. I do use quite a bit of none MS software and it seems to work pretty well. Jim HI
I am another early vista adopter. I did have some NVidia problems with my dual core AMD four monitor vista machine but everything has been fine now for months. Love it in fact. Find going back to XP a clunky experience. I am a windows developer and have mostly MS software on the machine. I do use quite a bit of none MS software and it seems to work pretty well.
Jim

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6782 Zoli Erdos Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:16:48 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6782 Alex, I personally spent hours fixing Vista crap, if you search this blog, you'll find some evidence, and of course even more by Googling it. The fact that PC Manufacturers were pushed to allow customers roll back to XP is not urban legend, it's reality. But this will all be history in two years, we'll be in a Vista world. The problem isn't the monopoly directly; it's buggy software with undocumented problems/feautures. It's the fact that MS does not really HAVE TO release user-friendly and working software anymore, since their market is almost "guaranteed". So, indirectly, it's all about the monopoly. Alex, I personally spent hours fixing Vista crap, if you search this blog, you’ll find some evidence, and of course even more by Googling it.

The fact that PC Manufacturers were pushed to allow customers roll back to XP is not urban legend, it’s reality.

But this will all be history in two years, we’ll be in a Vista world.

The problem isn’t the monopoly directly; it’s buggy software with undocumented problems/feautures. It’s the fact that MS does not really HAVE TO release user-friendly and working software anymore, since their market is almost “guaranteed”. So, indirectly, it’s all about the monopoly.

]]> By: Alex G http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6781 Alex G Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:32:17 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/10/26/blinded-by-vista-sales-success/#comment-6781 Been using vista for over a year now... no problems. The problem imo isn't MS' monopoly, but the blogsphere bias towards the company. Here's how this goes down - Microsoft releases a new OS, everybody lines up to bash it because all the "cool kids" do it. Apple sells a service pack and everybody is cheering, bringing flowers and worshiping it. Been using vista for over a year now… no problems.

The problem imo isn’t MS’ monopoly, but the blogsphere bias towards the company.

Here’s how this goes down – Microsoft releases a new OS, everybody lines up to bash it because all the “cool kids” do it. Apple sells a service pack and everybody is cheering, bringing flowers and worshiping it.

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