Comments on: Startups: Challenge the Market Leader, or Ride With It? http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/ Connecting the dots ... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:03:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Great Blogging Tools » Aspects of Home Business Blog http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7084 Great Blogging Tools » Aspects of Home Business Blog Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:41:45 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7084 [...] newer solutions such as Defensio. I haven’t tried that one yet myself, but I’ve seen some pretty good buzz about [...] [...] newer solutions such as Defensio. I haven’t tried that one yet myself, but I’ve seen some pretty good buzz about [...]

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7044 Dennis Howlett Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:56:13 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7044 Better still - sidestep the competition by offering something unique. Building a better mousetrap ain't the way to go. Better still – sidestep the competition by offering something unique. Building a better mousetrap ain’t the way to go.

]]> By: aj batac http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7014 aj batac Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:11:07 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-7014 Have you had the chance implement it? Have you had the chance implement it?

]]> By: Carl Mercier http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6999 Carl Mercier Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:02:28 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6999 James: To answer your question, "Somebody's ham is somebody's spam". In order to make Defensio effective, it learns and adapts from each user's behavior. We feel that it's a much more robust approach. Another reason that we favor individualized vs collaborative learning is that it would be -very- easy for spammers to confuse/mess up the filter if all the learning was centralized. However, we do have some degree of learning collaboration going on under the hood. Keep in mind that your performance won't start at 0%! Typically, people get an accuracy rate of about 95% when they first install Defensio, and it goes up to around 99.5% after we gathered information from your traffic. The length of the training period greatly depends on how much ham/spam you get. If you get a lot, it is very quick (couple of days?). Hope this helps! James: To answer your question, “Somebody’s ham is somebody’s spam”. In order to make Defensio effective, it learns and adapts from each user’s behavior. We feel that it’s a much more robust approach.

Another reason that we favor individualized vs collaborative learning is that it would be -very- easy for spammers to confuse/mess up the filter if all the learning was centralized. However, we do have some degree of learning collaboration going on under the hood.

Keep in mind that your performance won’t start at 0%! Typically, people get an accuracy rate of about 95% when they first install Defensio, and it goes up to around 99.5% after we gathered information from your traffic. The length of the training period greatly depends on how much ham/spam you get. If you get a lot, it is very quick (couple of days?).

Hope this helps!

]]> By: Two Montreal Startups Launch: Defensio and CakeMail : Instigator Blog http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6993 Two Montreal Startups Launch: Defensio and CakeMail : Instigator Blog Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:35:14 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6993 [...] Startups: Challenge the Market Leader or Ride With It? [...] [...] Startups: Challenge the Market Leader or Ride With It? [...]

]]> By: The Other Zoli http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6992 The Other Zoli Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:33:29 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6992 I think you should not announce that you are better than the competition or the current standard in the beginning or after. Just do what you do better and people will switch. They will not switch because you claim you are better but they will switch because either someone they trust said it was better or they experienced that it was better. Claiming that you are better than the competition lacks credibility, raises doubt and is in the end a very weak and method of convincing people. I think you should not announce that you are better than the competition or the current standard in the beginning or after. Just do what you do better and people will switch. They will not switch because you claim you are better but they will switch because either someone they trust said it was better or they experienced that it was better. Claiming that you are better than the competition lacks credibility, raises doubt and is in the end a very weak and method of convincing people.

]]> By: James Thomas http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6990 James Thomas Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:02:56 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/07/startups-challenge-the-market-leader-or-ride-with-it/#comment-6990 The big question for me is why can't they make the "learning" a centralized thing? It's not like people spam differently on different sites... they automate the spam. The big question for me is why can’t they make the “learning” a centralized thing? It’s not like people spam differently on different sites… they automate the spam.

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