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		<title>By: Who Should you Hire at a Startup? &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-18786</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Should you Hire at a Startup? &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Startup Advice Roundup : Texas Startup Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-11542</link>
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		<title>By: Texas Startup Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Startup Advice Roundup</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-10532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, the irony. Its a bank holiday here in the Uk today and I&#039;m sat at my desk at work reading a post about work life balance! Right that&#039;s it I&#039;m off into the city to get a coffee and loiter unproductively for a few hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, the irony. Its a bank holiday here in the Uk today and I&#8217;m sat at my desk at work reading a post about work life balance! Right that&#8217;s it I&#8217;m off into the city to get a coffee and loiter unproductively for a few hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-10457</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is many people are passionate about their work. They love it, and there is nothing wrong with that except when its forced on them. Maybe &quot;workaholic&quot; is a term born out of a jealous nine to fiver who wishes they loved both halves of their waking hours as much as that passionate worker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is many people are passionate about their work. They love it, and there is nothing wrong with that except when its forced on them. Maybe &#8220;workaholic&#8221; is a term born out of a jealous nine to fiver who wishes they loved both halves of their waking hours as much as that passionate worker.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Hesz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Hesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,

Maybe it&#039;s my poor grasp of English, but I did not read  the balance problem there.
Sure, I could be absolutely mistaken, and he did not mean it like &quot;don&#039;t take a 10 minutes long smoke break every 20 minutes, don&#039;t spend 30 minutes an hour with browsing the net and don&#039;t expect 8 hours of work a day&quot;

In his follow up post he clarified it even more.
Plus, yes, I think a startup is something like the frontline in a war. Everyone working like crazy, trying to &quot;break into the market&quot;.

Now, I have to confess some facts about me, before people label me a &quot;slavedriver&quot;.

1) I spent 4 months working 13+ hours each day, plus weekends as a developer.
2) Since then, I positively avoid unnecessary, useless  overtime.
3) I know that working 10+ hours each day is not the most effective thing in the long run.
4) Maybe I am stupid, but I share these views with my &quot;hopefully future employers&quot; during the job interviews. No surprises then. 
5) Around here, every established software company works with tons of overtime

I can accept that my view on the workings of startup is screwed by 5).
I expect that startups need a lot more work, both in time, and concentration, energy.
You can win time with concentrating on your work and not spend 1/3rd of the day on the balcony smoking, or browsing the web, and working a few hours in the weekend if necessary.

But maybe, in the more developed part of the world, US, UK, Canada, France, etc., established software companies don&#039;t demand a lot of overtime, and thus startups don&#039;t need total concentration during the work time, and don&#039;t need people whose only goal is to lift that thing off the ground.  

He wrote workaholics. But he did not write &quot;dump your family, sell your house and move in the office&quot;.

He wrote about stuff we miss a lot of times - especially the comfortable chair. :)
And when he changed the post he left the original words there crossed out.

Yikes, it got long.
All in all, I read him with a favourable preconception.
The only thing that really supports my take on his post is the response of one or several of the people working for him. (which was promptly labeled as the &#039;fear inspired, brainwashed act of a slave&#039;)

But, if I ever happen to work for him, I will share my experience. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s my poor grasp of English, but I did not read  the balance problem there.<br />
Sure, I could be absolutely mistaken, and he did not mean it like &#8220;don&#8217;t take a 10 minutes long smoke break every 20 minutes, don&#8217;t spend 30 minutes an hour with browsing the net and don&#8217;t expect 8 hours of work a day&#8221;</p>
<p>In his follow up post he clarified it even more.<br />
Plus, yes, I think a startup is something like the frontline in a war. Everyone working like crazy, trying to &#8220;break into the market&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, I have to confess some facts about me, before people label me a &#8220;slavedriver&#8221;.</p>
<p>1) I spent 4 months working 13+ hours each day, plus weekends as a developer.<br />
2) Since then, I positively avoid unnecessary, useless  overtime.<br />
3) I know that working 10+ hours each day is not the most effective thing in the long run.<br />
4) Maybe I am stupid, but I share these views with my &#8220;hopefully future employers&#8221; during the job interviews. No surprises then.<br />
5) Around here, every established software company works with tons of overtime</p>
<p>I can accept that my view on the workings of startup is screwed by 5).<br />
I expect that startups need a lot more work, both in time, and concentration, energy.<br />
You can win time with concentrating on your work and not spend 1/3rd of the day on the balcony smoking, or browsing the web, and working a few hours in the weekend if necessary.</p>
<p>But maybe, in the more developed part of the world, US, UK, Canada, France, etc., established software companies don&#8217;t demand a lot of overtime, and thus startups don&#8217;t need total concentration during the work time, and don&#8217;t need people whose only goal is to lift that thing off the ground.  </p>
<p>He wrote workaholics. But he did not write &#8220;dump your family, sell your house and move in the office&#8221;.</p>
<p>He wrote about stuff we miss a lot of times &#8211; especially the comfortable chair. <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And when he changed the post he left the original words there crossed out.</p>
<p>Yikes, it got long.<br />
All in all, I read him with a favourable preconception.<br />
The only thing that really supports my take on his post is the response of one or several of the people working for him. (which was promptly labeled as the &#8216;fear inspired, brainwashed act of a slave&#8217;)</p>
<p>But, if I ever happen to work for him, I will share my experience. <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-10394</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roland
he backtracked and changed the post several times after the backlash. I read and responded to the original post, maybe I can find a Google Cache link and send it to you :-)

As I&#039;ve argued everywhere, balance isn&#039;t a bad thing (and he still thinks ppl who want balance should work at starbucks...unless he&#039;s changed the post yet again). You can work hard and have some balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roland<br />
he backtracked and changed the post several times after the backlash. I read and responded to the original post, maybe I can find a Google Cache link and send it to you <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve argued everywhere, balance isn&#8217;t a bad thing (and he still thinks ppl who want balance should work at starbucks&#8230;unless he&#8217;s changed the post yet again). You can work hard and have some balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Hesz</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-10377</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Hesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, rereading, the last line seems cheeky and all, sorry, it was not the intention. 
I mean the link to where I read the post I quoted.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calacanis.com/2008/03/07/can-you-have-a-life-and-work-at-a-startup-company/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here it is&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, rereading, the last line seems cheeky and all, sorry, it was not the intention.<br />
I mean the link to where I read the post I quoted.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2008/03/07/can-you-have-a-life-and-work-at-a-startup-company/" rel="nofollow">here it is</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roland Hesz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Hesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and god help you that you might want to spend some time with your family quite honestly sickens me.&quot;

Erm.. I don&#039;t want to be rude or something, but did you read what Calacanis wrote?

I mean, he *explicitly* wrote down that he *did not* mean what you write here.
And I read the whole post and he *did not* write such things there. 
Quite the opposite. 

&quot;In fact, some of the most productive folks on staff have families, spend tons of time with them, and ARE workaholics. It seems to me that folks with families somehow get much more focused and do more in less time, or find strange hours to work. I can&#039;t explain it (anyone with kids want to check in?!).&quot;

If you want Duncan, I can give you the links, so you can read the posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and god help you that you might want to spend some time with your family quite honestly sickens me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Erm.. I don&#8217;t want to be rude or something, but did you read what Calacanis wrote?</p>
<p>I mean, he *explicitly* wrote down that he *did not* mean what you write here.<br />
And I read the whole post and he *did not* write such things there.<br />
Quite the opposite. </p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, some of the most productive folks on staff have families, spend tons of time with them, and ARE workaholics. It seems to me that folks with families somehow get much more focused and do more in less time, or find strange hours to work. I can&#8217;t explain it (anyone with kids want to check in?!).&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want Duncan, I can give you the links, so you can read the posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/08/oops-they-fired-all-their-workaholics/#comment-10372</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoil
that&#039;s not what he said. He said that balance was a bad thing. Passionate employees who give above the fold don&#039;t have to be workaholics with no lives, what exactly is wrong with balance in  your life? Also to suggest that I was wrong because anyone who has worked in a startup would understand Calacanis is right is BS and insulting. I worked 20 hours days without pay in a startup for 12 months, but I still found time to take my son to school or spend time with him where I could. The balance level may not have been perfect, but understand that I worked long and odd hours because I wanted some balance. The argument, taken by Scoble, Calacanis and you that someone how passionate means working 18 hours days chained to a desk and god help you that you might want to spend some time with your family quite honestly sickens me. WTF is wrong with you people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoil<br />
that&#8217;s not what he said. He said that balance was a bad thing. Passionate employees who give above the fold don&#8217;t have to be workaholics with no lives, what exactly is wrong with balance in  your life? Also to suggest that I was wrong because anyone who has worked in a startup would understand Calacanis is right is BS and insulting. I worked 20 hours days without pay in a startup for 12 months, but I still found time to take my son to school or spend time with him where I could. The balance level may not have been perfect, but understand that I worked long and odd hours because I wanted some balance. The argument, taken by Scoble, Calacanis and you that someone how passionate means working 18 hours days chained to a desk and god help you that you might want to spend some time with your family quite honestly sickens me. WTF is wrong with you people?</p>
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