Comments on: Wiki Review or Rant? http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/ Connecting the dots ... Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:40:17 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Yuen-Chi Lian http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-12094 Yuen-Chi Lian Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:15:47 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-12094 I have been having some hard time to get SocialTextOpen up and running on a Ubuntu machine due to dependencies hell (perl deps, omg). Seriously as compared, Confluence is a lot easier to install but it's a shame that it doesn't come free. In the past few weeks, I have also evaluated other wikis and CMS. In terms of usability, only Confluence and SocialText are meeting my requirements, Plone is slow and funny. yc I have been having some hard time to get SocialTextOpen up and running on a Ubuntu machine due to dependencies hell (perl deps, omg).

Seriously as compared, Confluence is a lot easier to install but it’s a shame that it doesn’t come free.

In the past few weeks, I have also evaluated other wikis and CMS. In terms of usability, only Confluence and SocialText are meeting my requirements, Plone is slow and funny.

yc

]]> By: Alex Maslov http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10824 Alex Maslov Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:51:12 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10824 I would also like to add Nuospace (http:/www.nuospace.com) into the competition - in my personal (and biased :)) opinion it should be the most convenient and user-friendly out of the all products mentioned above. Alex, Nuospace founder I would also like to add Nuospace (http:/www.nuospace.com) into the competition – in my personal (and biased :) ) opinion it should be the most convenient and user-friendly out of the all products mentioned above.

Alex,
Nuospace founder

]]> By: Aaron Fulkerson http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10761 Aaron Fulkerson Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:34:23 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10761 For the record: There absolutely are GROUPS in MindTouch Deki Wiki. In fact, you can use internal or external groups. If you want to use external groups you can expose LDAP, Active Directory or even Drupal, Wordpress and some other apps for exposing groups. You can even run multiple concurrent external auth systems if you like. And yes, you also have internal groups (as previously mentioned). MindTouch’s Deki Wiki is a distributed application platform that allows a site admin (presumably an IT person) hook in external apps, services, databases, auth systems, etc. Users can then organize data and systems in a manner most appropriate to them. In short, MindTouch connects teams, enterprise systems, Web2.0 apps and services. These external apps extend the platform and can be used by (even non-programmers) to create situational apps and data mashups. MindTouch Deki Wiki is most often cited as being the most usable in this space, but it's very different technically from any other offering in this space. You can find information about the underlying technology of this platform here: http://mindtouch.com/Technology For the record: There absolutely are GROUPS in MindTouch Deki Wiki. In fact, you can use internal or external groups. If you want to use external groups you can expose LDAP, Active Directory or even Drupal, Wordpress and some other apps for exposing groups. You can even run multiple concurrent external auth systems if you like. And yes, you also have internal groups (as previously mentioned).

MindTouch’s Deki Wiki is a distributed application platform that allows a site admin (presumably an IT person) hook in external apps, services, databases, auth systems, etc. Users can then organize data and systems in a manner most appropriate to them. In short, MindTouch connects teams, enterprise systems, Web2.0 apps and services. These external apps extend the platform and can be used by (even non-programmers) to create situational apps and data mashups.

MindTouch Deki Wiki is most often cited as being the most usable in this space, but it’s very different technically from any other offering in this space. You can find information about the underlying technology of this platform here: http://mindtouch.com/Technology

]]> By: Kare http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10760 Kare Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:54:21 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10760 this non-geek, former journalist appreciates the simplicity of PBWiki this non-geek, former journalist appreciates the simplicity of PBWiki

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10757 Dennis Howlett Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:14:25 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10757 You can keep Wetpaint wikis private. I'm using it for a private project. You can keep Wetpaint wikis private. I’m using it for a private project.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10756 Tom Raftery Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:06:58 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10756 Zoli - thanks for updating the post. Charlie, with all due respect, I think you are wrong. That may have been the case five years ago but the world has moved on. Thousands of companies now trust some of their most sensitive information to hosted applications like Salesforce.com, Freshbooks, MyRMA.net, etc. Even Microsoft realises this and is now starting to port their applications to online - hence their hosted Exchange, hosted CRM and Windows Live offerings. Even environmentally, it makes more sense to use online applications (remember carbon taxes and carbon accounting are only a few years off). Setting up applications on your own servers is the way of the past. Zoli – thanks for updating the post.

Charlie, with all due respect, I think you are wrong. That may have been the case five years ago but the world has moved on. Thousands of companies now trust some of their most sensitive information to hosted applications like Salesforce.com, Freshbooks, MyRMA.net, etc.

Even Microsoft realises this and is now starting to port their applications to online – hence their hosted Exchange, hosted CRM and Windows Live offerings.

Even environmentally, it makes more sense to use online applications (remember carbon taxes and carbon accounting are only a few years off).

Setting up applications on your own servers is the way of the past.

]]> By: James Byers http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10754 James Byers Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:53:07 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10754 Hi Zoli, If you do end up writing a wiki review, take a look at Wikispaces too. While we didn't have a free option that made sense for Tom, our Private Label service is being used by a lot of customers in similar situations. We're sporting single-sign-on, a full API, and very competitive pricing. It was our third birthday just a few days ago and we posted about the state of our community and where we're headed: http://blog.wikispaces.com/2008/03/wikispaces-turns-three.html Best, James Hi Zoli,

If you do end up writing a wiki review, take a look at Wikispaces too. While we didn’t have a free option that made sense for Tom, our Private Label service is being used by a lot of customers in similar situations. We’re sporting single-sign-on, a full API, and very competitive pricing.

It was our third birthday just a few days ago and we posted about the state of our community and where we’re headed:

http://blog.wikispaces.com/2008/03/wikispaces-turns-three.html

Best,
James

]]> By: Charlie http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10751 Charlie Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:42:51 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10751 Any organisation storing sensitive information on a wiki is going to be nervous about using a free hosted service regardless of what assurances it is given. Also most large organisations (which make up a lot of Confluence's users) wouldn't blink at spending the comparatively little money it costs to set up a Confluence wiki on their own servers. Considering the long term impact that it will have on their organisation it's possibly the cheapest implementation that they will ever undertake. Any organisation storing sensitive information on a wiki is going to be nervous about using a free hosted service regardless of what assurances it is given. Also most large organisations (which make up a lot of Confluence’s users) wouldn’t blink at spending the comparatively little money it costs to set up a Confluence wiki on their own servers. Considering the long term impact that it will have on their organisation it’s possibly the cheapest implementation that they will ever undertake.

]]> By: Tom Raftery http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10750 Tom Raftery Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:04:20 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10750 Zoli, As a significant number of people read blog posts in RSS readers (thereby missing the comments) I would appreciate if you would update your post with my explanations )specifically my reasons for not using hosted Confluence and for not chosing DekiWiki). Thanks, Tom Zoli,

As a significant number of people read blog posts in RSS readers (thereby missing the comments) I would appreciate if you would update your post with my explanations )specifically my reasons for not using hosted Confluence and for not chosing DekiWiki).

Thanks,

Tom

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10748 Zoli Erdos Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:28:44 +0000 http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/01/wiki-review-or-rant/#comment-10748 Tom, I felt it was more of a rant than a comparison. But then so is mine -a counter-rant to the rant:-) Somebody should write that War and Peace one day .. whether you, me or somebody else.... Tom, I felt it was more of a rant than a comparison. But then so is mine -a counter-rant to the rant:-)

Somebody should write that War and Peace one day .. whether you, me or somebody else….

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