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	<title>Comments on: The ZDNet Obstacle Course, or Eating One&#8217;s Own Dog Food</title>
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		<title>By: Zoli Erdos</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12558</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie, you&#039;re captcha is back on!  has it ever been off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie, you&#8217;re captcha is back on!  has it ever been off?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12423</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>same story at cnet. why should be people allowed to comment freely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>same story at cnet. why should be people allowed to comment freely?</p>
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		<title>By: My del.icio.us bookmarks for June 25th through June 26th &#124; AccMan</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12415</link>
		<dc:creator>My del.icio.us bookmarks for June 25th through June 26th &#124; AccMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ZDNet Obstacle Course, or Eating One&#8217;s Own Dog Food&#124; Zoli&#8217;s Blog - Zoli does it like no other - brilliant. Even if it does mean sticking it to one of my customers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The ZDNet Obstacle Course, or Eating One&rsquo;s Own Dog Food| Zoli&rsquo;s Blog &#8211; Zoli does it like no other &#8211; brilliant. Even if it does mean sticking it to one of my customers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12414</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@zoli - I made sure they knew about the post - and its genesis. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zoli &#8211; I made sure they knew about the post &#8211; and its genesis. <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zoli Erdos</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12408</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen and Josh,

Thanks for commenting her so fast ( I guess getting through was easy.. LOL).  Just two quickies from the tweets Michael linked to:

- yourdon: they want my address? My phone #? What are they - the KGB? I just wanted to was leave a comment, not register for life

- esjewett: comment wall is way high: 17 required registration fields, four email lists by default. No thanks. I like the blog though! 

Yes, I get the point about monetization, and to some extent may even agree that knowing reader demographics helps.  I&#039;d question the value of the data though... I know I hate filling out such forms, and I often enter bogus data just to get through fast.  

The solution Josh mentions sounds like a perfect compromise to me. 

Again, thanks for commenting here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen and Josh,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting her so fast ( I guess getting through was easy.. LOL).  Just two quickies from the tweets Michael linked to:</p>
<p>- yourdon: they want my address? My phone #? What are they &#8211; the KGB? I just wanted to was leave a comment, not register for life</p>
<p>- esjewett: comment wall is way high: 17 required registration fields, four email lists by default. No thanks. I like the blog though! </p>
<p>Yes, I get the point about monetization, and to some extent may even agree that knowing reader demographics helps.  I&#8217;d question the value of the data though&#8230; I know I hate filling out such forms, and I often enter bogus data just to get through fast.  </p>
<p>The solution Josh mentions sounds like a perfect compromise to me. </p>
<p>Again, thanks for commenting here.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Krigsman</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12407</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Krigsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, May a thousand years of sunshine rain down warmth on you and yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, May a thousand years of sunshine rain down warmth on you and yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12406</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another ZDNet product person weighing in... Just today, I was working on our technical spec with a colleague for a tiered registration process for ZDNet. While the details aren&#039;t finalized, it is my hope that by the end of the summer, folks wanting to post a Talkback comment will need to provide *far* less information than they do today -- perhaps just selecting a user name, password, and giving us their e-mail address. 

We&#039;re hoping this will help to balance our business needs with the desire of our users to comment without needing to provide us with everything short of social security and checking account numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another ZDNet product person weighing in&#8230; Just today, I was working on our technical spec with a colleague for a tiered registration process for ZDNet. While the details aren&#8217;t finalized, it is my hope that by the end of the summer, folks wanting to post a Talkback comment will need to provide *far* less information than they do today &#8212; perhaps just selecting a user name, password, and giving us their e-mail address. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re hoping this will help to balance our business needs with the desire of our users to comment without needing to provide us with everything short of social security and checking account numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Krigsman</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12405</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Krigsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, Thanks for sharing the reasoning behind the comment wall, which of course we&#039;ve discussed before.

You made a clear statement of the trade-off between the registration economics and the number of comments, from both the ZDNet and blogger/user perspectives.

Watching my own blog stats, there&#039;s absolutely no denying the power of the ZDNet newsletters. At the same time, more comments also means more love, page views, discussion, and so on.

Many ZDNet bloggers are routinely asked (often on Twitter) about the comment wall. Here are some examples:

http://summize.com/search?max_id=843517667&amp;page=1&amp;q=zdnet+comment

Isn&#039;t there some way to retain the economic benefits while making the whole thing easier for users?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, Thanks for sharing the reasoning behind the comment wall, which of course we&#8217;ve discussed before.</p>
<p>You made a clear statement of the trade-off between the registration economics and the number of comments, from both the ZDNet and blogger/user perspectives.</p>
<p>Watching my own blog stats, there&#8217;s absolutely no denying the power of the ZDNet newsletters. At the same time, more comments also means more love, page views, discussion, and so on.</p>
<p>Many ZDNet bloggers are routinely asked (often on Twitter) about the comment wall. Here are some examples:</p>
<p><a href="http://summize.com/search?max_id=843517667&amp;page=1&amp;q=zdnet+comment" rel="nofollow">http://summize.com/search?max_id=843517667&amp;page=1&amp;q=zdnet+comment</a></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there some way to retain the economic benefits while making the whole thing easier for users?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Howard-Sarin</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12404</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Howard-Sarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZDNet Product Management Here, absbestos suit donned.

First of all, I&#039;d selfishly prefer that you write blogs about ZDNet and link to it rather than log in and comment. 

However, we&#039;d certainly like everyone to also register and comment, and not everyone has a blog. So, why do we make it so damn hard?

Dennis has heard my arguments in private but there&#039;s no secret. We make money from registering users and registered users get our email newsletters, which bring people back to the site.

We have to balance those benefits against the benefits of having more peopele comment, which is free and sometimes terrific content. For me, that&#039;s a business trade-off. For Dennis and our other excellent writers, the trade-off has a lot less balanced. They don&#039;t share in the money from registrations and though they get traffic from those newsletters they can&#039;t quantify it. However they can see how many comments they get -- or don&#039;t get -- and they know one major reason is the reg wall.

(As for his mother; that&#039;s a bug. We have a ZIP code field, and we&#039;re not sure why she couldn&#039;t find it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZDNet Product Management Here, absbestos suit donned.</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;d selfishly prefer that you write blogs about ZDNet and link to it rather than log in and comment. </p>
<p>However, we&#8217;d certainly like everyone to also register and comment, and not everyone has a blog. So, why do we make it so damn hard?</p>
<p>Dennis has heard my arguments in private but there&#8217;s no secret. We make money from registering users and registered users get our email newsletters, which bring people back to the site.</p>
<p>We have to balance those benefits against the benefits of having more peopele comment, which is free and sometimes terrific content. For me, that&#8217;s a business trade-off. For Dennis and our other excellent writers, the trade-off has a lot less balanced. They don&#8217;t share in the money from registrations and though they get traffic from those newsletters they can&#8217;t quantify it. However they can see how many comments they get &#8212; or don&#8217;t get &#8212; and they know one major reason is the reg wall.</p>
<p>(As for his mother; that&#8217;s a bug. We have a ZIP code field, and we&#8217;re not sure why she couldn&#8217;t find it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Zoli Erdos</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/06/25/the-zdnet-obstacle-course-or-eating-ones-own-dog-food/#comment-12402</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie, I spared you in this post, don&#039;t you dare!
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie, I spared you in this post, don&#8217;t you dare!<br />
 <img src='http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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