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		<title>Salesforce.com: Is the Glass Half Full or Half Empty?</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2009/09/04/salesforce-com-is-the-glass-half-full-or-half-empty-crm-price-hike/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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            <P>Is Salesforce.com’s glass for SMBs half full (of lemonade)&#160; or half empty?&#160; I borrowed the lemonade metaphor from <A href="http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/01/salesforcecom-offers-contact-management-for-businesses-of-one/">Venturebeat’s post</A> announcing Salesforce.com’s new Contact Manager offering for (very) small businesses. </P>

            <P>On second thought we should use orange juice as a metaphor – as in <A
                    href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/07/06/why-do-they-think-consumers-are-stupid/">disappearing orange juice</A>, by Tropicana which offers less juice in a redesigned pitcher for the same price, and even tries to sell it as a benefit to consumers<IMG src="/images/smiley/smiley-frown.gif"/>
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            <P>Salesforce.com “pulled a Tropicana” with the announcement of their <A href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/09/01/salesforce-launches-lightweight-contact-manager-for-small-businesses/">$9 Contact Management</A>  edition, and the funny thing is, nobody seems to have noticed it. No,</P>
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<p>Is Salesforce.com’s glass for SMBs half full (of lemonade)  or half empty?  I borrowed the lemonade metaphor from <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/01/salesforcecom-offers-contact-management-for-businesses-of-one/">Venturebeat’s post</a> announcing Salesforce.com’s new Contact Manager offering for (very) small businesses.</p>
<p>On second thought we should use orange juice as a metaphor – as in <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/07/06/why-do-they-think-consumers-are-stupid/">disappearing orange juice</a>, by Tropicana which offers less juice in a redesigned pitcher for the same price, and even tries to sell it as a benefit to consumers<img src="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/smile_angry.gif" alt="smile_angry" /></p>
<p>Salesforce.com “pulled a Tropicana” with the announcement of their <a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/09/01/salesforce-launches-lightweight-contact-manager-for-small-businesses/">$9 Contact Management</a> edition, and the funny thing is, nobody seems to have noticed it. No, the media duly buys what Salesforce.com PR sells, welcoming the new edition as “<a href="http://www.destinationcrmblog.com/2009/09/02/guest-blog-salesforce-com-gives-something-back-to-the-little-guy-for-just-9month/">giving something back to the little guy</a>” , “breaking through a price barrier”, “<a href="http://crmfyi.com/?p=186">making it affordable for SMBs to get in the Cloud</a>”.</p>
<p>Nobody bothered to do some fact-checking, which would have unveiled that in the new Edition is in fact offering less for the same price, a’la Tropicana.  Salesforce.com has pulled off a price increase and it went largely unnoticed.</p>
<p><span><a href="http://www.salesforce.com/crm/editions-pricing.jsp"><img class="flLeft" style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 5px" title="sforce1" src="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/sforce1.jpg" border="0" alt="sforce1" width="265" height="156" align="left" /></a></span>Prior to this announcement the lowest-priced edition of Salesforce CRM, the Group Edition was priced at $9 per user per month, and it is now increased to $35.   The few media outlets that noticed this refer to it as temporary promotion for August, that has now expired.   Let’s see just how temporary it was: the “promo” started not in August but in June, and not in 2009, but 2008.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/sforce2.jpg"><img style="border-right-width: 0px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px" title="sforce2" src="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/sforce2_thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="sforce2" width="600" height="450" /></a></p>
<p>This promotion was supposed to expire in July of last year, but it did not – and I correctly predicted it would <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/09/14/saas-and-the-commoditization-of-the-software/">transition into a permanent price-cut</a>, without much fanfare.  Indeed the $9 pricing lasted over a year.  And just for the record, prior to dropping the price to $9, CRM Group Edition had cost $20 – so the $35 new price is definitely not just ending a promotion, it’s a price hike of several notches.</p>
<p>But forget history, let’s look at value: having a Contact Manager functionality is certainly useful, although I suspect Google Apps (which is integrated with this Salesforce.com offering) will also offer enhanced Contacts functions.   Still, nice – for 2 users only, as that’s the maximum number  allowed for this edition.  Talk about 2-person companies, let’s remember that Salesforce.com used to offer a free single-user Personal Edition CRM.  I’ve just checked my dormant account, it’s still working – but the offering is no longer available for new users.</p>
<p>So let’s see: from free CRM for one user, later $9 CRM up to five users, we’ve gone to $9 Contact Manager for two users.  Quite an improvement.<img src="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/smile_sad1.gif" alt="smile_sad" /></p>
<p>Now if you have 3 users, the lowest entry point to Salesforce.com is now Group Edition at $35 per person = $105 vs. the previous price of $27.   And if you have 6 users, you <a href="http://www.salesforce.com/crm/editions-pricing.jsp">no longer qualify for Group Edition</a>, your entry point now is Professional Edition at $65 per user.</p>
<p>Oh, well.  Math lesson over, it’s a nice sunny morning, time for my glass of OJ ( not half full, not half empty – just full.<img src="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/smile_tongue.gif" alt="smile_tongue" />)</p>
<p>(Disclosure: I’m Editor of <a href="http://www.cloudave.com">CloudAve</a>, a group blog sponsored by Zoho.  This article is <a href="http://www.cloudave.com/link/salesforce-com-is-the-glass-half-full-or-half-empty-crm-price-hike">cross-posted there</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Business ByNetSuite Goes After SAP, While The Giant is Sleeping &#8211;  Where is Business ByDesign?</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/11/07/business-bynetsuite-goes-after-sap-while-the-giant-is-sleeping-where-is-business-bydesign/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Ben recently reported on how NetSuite is going after Salesforce.com, by announcing their Renewforce program.  Today NetSuite is going after bigger  fish: the leader in Enterprise Software, SAP.
The aptly named Business ByNetsuite program guarantees at least 50% savings to current SAP R/3 customers relative to  &#8211; watch this! – the annual maintenance fees they [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F11%2F07%2Fbusiness-bynetsuite-goes-after-sap-while-the-giant-is-sleeping-where-is-business-bydesign%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F11%2F07%2Fbusiness-bynetsuite-goes-after-sap-while-the-giant-is-sleeping-where-is-business-bydesign%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><img style="display: inline; margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px" src="http://www.netsuite.com/portal/images/pages/logo_netledger.gif" alt="" align="left" /> Ben recently reported on how <a href="http://www.cloudave.com/link/and-next-to-attack-salesforce-is">NetSuite is going after Salesforce.com</a>, by announcing their <a href="http://www.netsuite.com/portal/press/releases/nlpr10-22-08.shtml">Renewforce program</a>.  Today NetSuite is going after bigger  fish: the leader in Enterprise Software, SAP.</p>
<p>The aptly named <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/netsuites-business-bynetsuite-program-offers/story.aspx?guid={37781F2C-AC26-4519-8E84-0227C988FB9D}&amp;dist=TQP_Mod_pressN">Business ByNetsuite</a> program guarantees at least <em>50% savings</em> to current SAP R/3 customers relative to  &#8211; watch this! – the <em>annual maintenance fees</em> they are now paying to SAP.  Yes, it’s not a price-to-price comparison.  With the perpetual licence model customers pay upfront, but are still forced to pay annual maintenance fees – with SaaS there is only a subscription fee, and now NetSuite proves it can be half of only the maintenance component of traditional software’s TCO.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cloudave.com/link/netsuite-goes-after-sap-%25e2%2580%2593-but-where-is-business-bydesign">Read on to find out</a> how SAP’s own blunder around their excellent product, Business ByDesign opened the opportunity for Netsuite…</p>
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		<title>Zoho CRM Enterprise Edition @ SMB Price</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/16/zoho-crm-enterprise-edition-smb-price/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning Zoho announced the Enterprise Edition of their CRM product.&#160; The key updates are:
Introduction of Role-based Security Administration

Profiles for managing CRM module-level permissions
Roles for modeling organizational hierarchy and setting up data sharing rules
Groups for sharing the data among various departments
Field-level security for controlling the access rights (View or Edit) of fields in CRM modules

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F16%2Fzoho-crm-enterprise-edition-smb-price%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F16%2Fzoho-crm-enterprise-edition-smb-price%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>This morning Zoho announced the Enterprise Edition of their CRM product.&nbsp; The key updates are:</p>
<li>Introduction of Role-based Security Administration
<ul>
<li>Profiles for managing CRM module-level permissions
<li>Roles for modeling organizational hierarchy and setting up data sharing rules
<li>Groups for sharing the data among various departments
<li>Field-level security for controlling the access rights (View or Edit) of fields in CRM modules</li>
</ul>
<p><img src="http://zohocrm.wiki.zoho.com/attach/1.1/Zoho-CRM-Documents/ZohoCRM-Security-Administration.png"> </p>
<li>Enhancements in product Customization &amp; Data Administration
<li>Multi-language Support (11 Languages)
<li>SSL Support for Professional &amp; Enterprise Version
<li>Integration with Zoho Sheet
<li>Improved Business Functionality
<ul>
<li>Automatically update Stock information once the Purchase Order is approved
<li>Find and Merge the duplicate records in Vendors module
<li>Convert Quote to Sales Order or Invoice in a single click
<li>Convert Sales Order to Invoice in a single click
<li>Add account information automatically while creating quotes/orders/invoices from the potentials</li>
</ul>
<li><a href="http://zohocrm.wiki.zoho.com/Zoho-CRM-What-is-New.html">Wiki-based</a> Context-sensitive Help
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The key in &#8220;going enterprise&#8221; is no doubt the new security/permissioning scheme. That said, Zoho CRM has already been functionally rich even before today&#8217;s upgrade.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/07/10/on-demand-crm-lunch-is-almost-free/">repeatedly stated</a> that supporting business processes like Sales Order Management, Procurement, Inventory Management, Invoicing&nbsp; Zoho really has a <em>mini-ERP</em> system, under the disguise of the CRM label.<img alt="smile_wink" src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_wink.gif">.&nbsp; In fact let&#8217;s just stop here for a minute.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s announcement aside, I still consider Zoho&#8217;s primary focus to be the small business (SMB) market.&nbsp; As for CRM, it really comes down to the classic <em>breadth vs. depth of functionality</em> question.&nbsp;&nbsp; Zoho CRM&#8217;s breadth, along with the other productivity applications allows many SMB&#8217;s to use it as their single, only business application.&nbsp; The market leader in SaaS CRM, Salesforce.com clearly supports fewer business processes, offering more depth in each &#8211; probably a better fit for larger enterprises which likely run several applications anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp; This <a href="http://www.zohoviewer.com/docs/fccU4h">matrix provides</a> an overview of Zoho CRM vs. Salesforce CRM Group and Professional Editions. (click on pic for detail) </p>
<p><a title="Zoho CRM vs. Salesforce CRM" href="http://www.zohoviewer.com/docs/fccU4h"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3032/2419165000_87cca4c589.jpg"></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Having done a functional comparison, a quick look at pricing demonstrates why Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu called Salesforce.com still <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/general/very-expensive-affordable-still-very-expensive/">very expensive</a>:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><img title="CRM Pricing Comparison - http://sheet.zoho.com" alt="CRM Pricing Comparison - http://sheet.zoho.com" src="http://sheet.zoho.com/publicgraphs/11939000000063005.png">&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>No wonder Larry Dignan at ZDNet declares &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/">Zoho aims to poach Salesforce.com customers</a>.&#8221;&nbsp; But Larry (and Marc), you ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet&#8230; just wait till Zoho comes out with a Salesforce.com importer <img alt="smile_tongue" src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_tongue.gif">.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>
<p>Clearly, Salesforce.com does keep a close eye on Zoho, otherwise why would they spend money on the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=+zoho+crm&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a">Google Adword &#8220;Zoho CRM</a>&#8220;?</p>
<p>&nbsp;<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2419139012_cf08ddb00b.jpg"> </p>
<p>But again, reality check: Salesforce.com does own the Enterprise space.&nbsp; For now. </p>
<p>Finally, a word about integration.&nbsp; After all, Zoho is known for their almost endless range of products, they should work together&#8230;&nbsp; Currently Zoho Sheet, the spreadsheet application is fully integrated with CRM &#8211; most data can be edited either inside CRM or in the spreadsheet format that many business users are more familiar with.</p>
<p>Zoho plans to integrate Writer, their word processor, Mail (still in private beta) as well as some of the business applications, namely recently released <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/27/techcrunch-releases-new-zoho-service-invoice/">Invoice</a> and <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/10/zoho-enters-human-resources-market-with-zoho-people/">People</a>. When all that&#8217;s done, Zoho will have a more complete offering than two industry giants, Salesforce.com and Google together.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can&#8217;t wait&#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I am an Advisor to Zoho. Take anything I say with a grain of salt.&nbsp; In fact with a pound of salt.&nbsp; Don&#8217;t believe a single word of mine about Zoho products: go ahead and <a href="http://www.zoho.com">check them out yourself</a>). </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Related posts:&nbsp; <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/announcements/introducing-zoho-affordable-crm-enterprise-edition/">Zoho Blogs</a>, <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/zoho-crm-enterprise">CenterNetworks</a>, <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/04/16/zoho-upgrades-its-crm-product/">VentureBeat</a>, <a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13953_3-9920138-80.html">CNET News.com</a>, <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/04/16/zoho-crm-enterprise/">Mashable!</a>, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8499">Between the Lines</a>, <a href="http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/04/16/zoho-crm-goes-enterprise/">Web Worker Daily</a>, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Howlett/?p=371">Irregular Enterprise</a>, <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/04/zoho_takes_a_sh.html">InformationWeek</a>, </p>
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		<title>3 Half-Truths about SaaS</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/11/3-half-truths-about-saas/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a big fan of Software as a Service, but it frustrates the hell out of me to see industry pundits over-hype it without really understanding it.&#160; Here are 3 killer (in the bad sense) half-truths about SaaS:
1 &#8211; SaaS is simpler, easier to implement than On-premise software (see update at the bottom)
2 &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F11%2F3-half-truths-about-saas%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F11%2F3-half-truths-about-saas%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I am a big fan of Software as a Service, but it frustrates the hell out of me to see industry pundits over-hype it without really understanding it.&nbsp; Here are 3 killer (in the bad sense) half-truths about SaaS:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 &#8211; SaaS is simpler, easier to implement than On-premise software (<em>see update at the bottom</em>)</p>
<p>2 &#8211; SaaS is for the SMB market</p>
<p>3 &#8211; SaaS is bought, not sold, it&#8217;s the end of Enterprise Sales</p>
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<p>Let&#8217;s examine them in detail:<br />&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>1 &#8211; SaaS is simpler, easier to implement than On-premise software.</strong></p>
<p>The only part that&#8217;s absolutely true is the technical installation, which the customer no longer has to worry about with SaaS.&nbsp; But we all know that this is a fraction of a typical implementation.&nbsp; Implementations are all about business process and training, hence the difficulty / duration / cost of an implementation depends on the complexity of business and the size of the organization &#8211; these two tend to correlate with each other.</p>
<p>It just so happens that all SaaS solutions so far have started (and many stay) at the SMB level, so they are simpler not by virtue of being SaaS but by their target market&#8217;s needs.&nbsp; </p>
<p><strong>2 &#8211; SaaS is for the SMB market</strong></p>
<p>Yes, traditionally all SaaS started with Small Businesses, but that does not mean it may not move upstream. Salesforce.com and several HCM applications have proven technical scalability, but they offer partial / departmental functionality.&nbsp; <br />I am a strong believer that in 4-5 years most software developed will be SaaS, and that in 10 years it will be the predominant method of &#8220;consuming&#8221; software by large enterprises &#8211; but I can&#8217;t prove it.&nbsp; There&#8217;s no empirical evidence, since there has not been any Integrated Enterprise SaaS available so far.&nbsp; The closest to it is NetSuite today (but it&#8217;s still SMB focused), and SAP&#8217;s Business ByDesign tomorrow.&nbsp; In fact despite SAP&#8217;s official positioning, driven by market focus and <em>current</em> limitations (functional and infrastructure), I believe that SAP will use BBD&nbsp; to learn the SaaS game &#8211; i.e. BBD will be a test bed for a future Enterprise SaaS offering. But we&#8217;re not there yet. <br />(longer <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/08/18/enterprise-software-is-still-not-dead/">discussion here</a>)</p>
<p><strong>3 &#8211; SaaS is bought, not sold, it&#8217;s the end of Enterprise Sales</strong></p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;ve <a href="http://pages.citebite.com/x1i8f7w4qgyy">said this myself</a>, so it must be true (?).&nbsp; Well, it depends on the position of the sun, the constellation of the stars, and several other factors, but mostly the first two we&#8217;ve just covered.<img alt="smile_wink" src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_wink.gif"></p>
<p>SaaS for very small business: that&#8217;s the clear-cut lab case for the click-to buy <a href="http://sandhill.com/opinion/editorial.php?id=76&amp;page=2">pull model</a> to work.&nbsp; In fact in this respect (sales model) I believe the business size is the no.1 determinator.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Some solutions will have to be configured and may even require pre-sales business process consulting.&nbsp; This inflexion point will clearly be higher for functionally simpler solutions, like CRM and lower for integrated business management systems, like NetSuite or SAP&#8217;s Business&nbsp; ByDesign.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Once you reach that inflexion point, you&#8217;re in a more interactive, lengthier sales process, and that&#8217;s typically face to face.&nbsp; At least that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re conditioned to: but it does not have to be that way.&nbsp; That will be the subject of another post &#8211; to come soon.</p>
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<p><font color="#ff0000">Update:</font>&nbsp; Ben Kepes <a href="http://diversity.net.nz/a-responde-to-zolis-saas-observation/2008/04/12/">challenged #1 on his blog</a>, and to some extent I have to agree.&nbsp; My post here is continuation of a discussion we started at the virtual <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/04/07/sap-marketing-community-virtual-meeting/">SAP Marketing Community Meeting</a>, and my mind-set was still business process software, e.g. CRM, ERP..etc, but I forgot to specify that.&nbsp; Instead of replicating the argument, why don&#8217;t you read <a href="http://diversity.net.nz/a-responde-to-zolis-saas-observation/2008/04/12/#comment-2569">my response to his response</a> at Ben&#8217;s place. </p>
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		<title>Benchmarking: No Longer the Hidden Business Model in SaaS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cat is out of the bag &#8211; was my first reaction when FreshBooks announced the launch of their new benchmarking service in October 2006.&#160; Then, and later I called it the hidden business model in SaaS:
He basically announced the hidden value proposition enabled by SaaS: competitive benchmarking. All previous benchmarking efforts were hampered by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F09%2Fbenchmarking-no-longer-the-hidden-business-model-in-saas%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F04%2F09%2Fbenchmarking-no-longer-the-hidden-business-model-in-saas%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/10/12/saas-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/">The cat is out of the bag</a> &#8211; was my first reaction when FreshBooks announced the launch of their new benchmarking service in October 2006.&nbsp; Then, and later I called it the <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/12/14/the-hidden-business-model-in-saas-benchmarking/">hidden business model in SaaS</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>He basically announced the hidden value proposition enabled by SaaS: <strong>competitive benchmarking</strong>. All previous benchmarking efforts were hampered by the quality of source data, which, with all systems behind firewalls was at least questionable. SaaS providers will have access to the <strong>most authentic data ever</strong>, aggregation if which leads to the <strong>most reliable industry metrics and benchmarking.</strong></em></p>
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<p>With <a href="http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=87515">Google&#8217;s entry today</a>, benchmarking is no longer the hidden business model: it has just gone mainstream.&nbsp; Potentially great value added service, a new revenue source for the provider, which may even allow them to give the core service away for free.</p>
<p>Give away?&nbsp; Do you think I&#8217;m smoking something?&nbsp;&nbsp; Read Jeremiah Owyang who predicted that storage companies will (?) eventually <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/01/03/why-i-think-the-future-of-online-data-storage-will-pay-you-to-upload-data/">pay for your data</a>. <img alt="smile_shades" src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_shades.gif"></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Related post:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/04/10/google-analytics-points-the-way-to-benchmarking/">Dennis @ AccMan Pro</a>, </p>
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		<title>TechCrunch Releases New Zoho Service: Invoice</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/27/techcrunch-releases-new-zoho-service-invoice/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Yes, the title isn&#8217;t a mistake: TechCrunch is no longer just powerful media, Mike now can single-handedly release new products..    Today I spent several hours testing a pre-release product, Zoho Invoice, which was a few weeks from it&#8217;s planned launch, when TechCrunch accidentally posted the news. The Zoho Team decided to play along, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F03%2F27%2Ftechcrunch-releases-new-zoho-service-invoice%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F03%2F27%2Ftechcrunch-releases-new-zoho-service-invoice%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><img style="margin: 0px 10px 5px 0px" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2177/2367478025_425d34e158_o.jpg" alt="" align="left" /> Yes, the title isn&#8217;t a mistake: TechCrunch is no longer just powerful media, Mike now can single-handedly release new products.<img src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_wink.gif" alt="smile_wink" />.    Today I spent several hours testing a pre-release product, <a href="http://invoice.zoho.com">Zoho Invoice</a>, which was a few weeks from it&#8217;s planned launch, when <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/27/the-zoho-business-machine-rolls-forward-invoices-next/">TechCrunch accidentally posted</a> the news. The Zoho Team decided to play along, and instead of disappointing TC readers with a broken link, opted to release the product immediately.</p>
<p>Not exactly an orderly Launch, but not the end of the world either, especially not for Zoho, which has a reputation of updating their web-based products frequently. In my early testing today I found Invoice easy to use, with a soothing, pleasant UI where all the icons are in the right place and support the right information flow.   There are some features that were still under consideration as of this afternoon &#8211; so be it, this is a &#8220;forced&#8221; early release, updates and fixes will no doubt be coming soon (using the Feedback button at the top will help issues get fixed quickly).</p>
<p>So what do we have here? Essentially a billing application, that allows the user to create /import Clients, define items (product/service), generate estimates, convert them to invoice and accept payment against it. The Home screen is a Dashboard, providing a quick financial overview:</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2367478033_a77ec77482.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>Information flows easily from one document to another, and there are a number of predefined (customizable) templates that can generate notification emails to the Customer at any stage. Notice the icons change on these two bars:</p>
<p><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2365/2367478003_5235c9ea14_o.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/2367478017_13a64a55a9_o.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>The Estimate (emailed or snail-mailed to the Customer) can be converted to an Invoice, but when displaying an Invoice, there&#8217;s a new icon there to enable entering a payment received.</p>
<p>There are transactional detail, summary, aging ..etc reports to help keep tight control of your receivables.</p>
<p>Although Zoho is primarily known for being the best Web-based Office / Productivity Suite provider, they are not exactly new to transactional business systems: their longest standing product is <a href="http://crm.zoho.com/">Zoho CRM</a> (which is an understated name for a mini-ERP), the recently announced <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/10/zoho-people-will-it-disrupt-or-fail/">Zoho People</a>, and a more full-featured Accounting system is in the works, too.   Talk about CRM, it already has some Invoice functionality, which will later be replaced by the new module, to be integrated with CRM.   For now, Zoho Invoice is integrated with <a href="http://projects.zoho.com/">Projects</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://show.zoho.com/public/arvindnatarajan/Zoho+Invoice1">slideshow</a> below explains the setup, various functions and the workflow between them (click the lower right corner to switch to full-screen):</p>
<p>The new billing application is free up to 5  invoices a months, and there is a pricing scale depending on the number of invoices per month, from $5 incl. 25 invoices to $35 up to 1500 invoices.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2368367638_0fbb9ed873.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>The two notable competitors are BlinkSale and FreshBooks.  Zoho will no doubt build on the fact that Invoice is just one piece in the puzzle of 16 or so business applications it has to offer.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I am an Advisor to Zoho)</p>
<p>Related posts:  <a href="http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9905322-2.html">Webware.com</a>, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/enterprisealley/?p=135">Enterprise Alley</a>, <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/03/28/zohos-business-offerings-still-growing-with-online-invoice-tool/">Venture Beat</a>,  <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/announcements/introducing-zoho-invoice/">Zoho Blogs</a>,</p>
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		<title>Zoho People: Will it Disrupt or Fail?</title>
		<link>http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/10/zoho-people-will-it-disrupt-or-fail/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Zoho, best known for their Web-based Productivity (Office+) Suite today released Zoho People, a feature-rich On-Demand HRMS &#8211; Human Resources Management System.  For the product introduction please read my previous post, while here I focus on business analysis, specifically on what this move means to software sales in general.
Today&#8217;s product announcement signifies a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F03%2F10%2Fzoho-people-will-it-disrupt-or-fail%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F03%2F10%2Fzoho-people-will-it-disrupt-or-fail%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2323606110_00eed44cac_o.png" style="margin: 0px 10px 5px 0px" align="left" /> Zoho, best known for their Web-based Productivity (Office+) Suite today released <a href="http://people.zoho.com/">Zoho People</a>, a feature-rich On-Demand HRMS &#8211; Human Resources Management System.  For the <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-admin/Zoho,%20best%20known%20for%20their%20Web-based%20Productivity%20%28Office+%29%20Suite%20today%20released%20Zoho%20People,%20a%20feature-rich%20On-Demand%20HRMS%20-%20Human%20Resources%20Management%20System.">product introduction</a> please read my <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-admin/Zoho,%20best%20known%20for%20their%20Web-based%20Productivity%20%28Office+%29%20Suite%20today%20released%20Zoho%20People,%20a%20feature-rich%20On-Demand%20HRMS%20-%20Human%20Resources%20Management%20System.">previous post</a>, while here I focus on business analysis, specifically on what this move means to software sales in general.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s product announcement signifies a departure from what Zoho has been known for so far, in a number of ways.  Their primary reputation is being the best Web-based Office / Productivity Suite provider &#8211; People is clearly a process-driven, transactional system with &#8220;enterprisey&#8221; features: organization levels, work-flow, permissions&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an entirely new field for Zoho though, as their CRM solution has been gaining traction for years now &#8211; both in terms of new customers as well as <a href="http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/03/13/salesforcecom-suggestion/">converts </a>from the market leader. (See chart with full list of <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/wordpress/wp-admin/Zoho,%20best%20known%20for%20their%20Web-based%20Productivity%20%28Office+%29%20Suite%20today%20released%20Zoho%20People,%20a%20feature-rich%20On-Demand%20HRMS%20-%20Human%20Resources%20Management%20System.">Productivity and Business Apps</a>). As a matter of fact, I&#8217;ve often stated <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/12/13/will-google-enter-the-business-applications-market/">calling it CRM is an understatement</a>: with Sales Order Management, Procurement, Inventory Management, Invoicing it&#8217;s really more of a mini-ERP. Add to it Accounting and HCM and Zoho can come up with an unparalleled Small Business Suite, which includes the productivity suite (what we now consider the Office Suite) and all process-driven, transactional systems: something like NetSuite + Microsoft, targeted at SMB’s, perfectly rhyming with Zoho&#8217;s stated objective of becoming the outsourced <a href="http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-20/interview-with-raju-vegesna-zoho-from-a-to-z-002239.php">IT for small businesses</a>.</p>
<p>Except&#8230; well, Zoho People is not a small business system.  All you have to do is look at some of the organizational setup, or processes, like holiday, training, leave requests, company policies to realize that this system is ideally suitable for organizations with a few hundred employees and more. (The &#8220;M&#8221; in SMB, whereas most of Zoho&#8217;s focus has been on the &#8220;S&#8221; until now).  So it&#8217;s a departure from Zoho&#8217;s traditional target market, and by its very nature it&#8217;s not a system individuals or small groups would just start to use in an ad-hoc manner.  It&#8217;s a system to be introduced by HR for the entire company.</p>
<p>Bringing an enterprise system to the market typically requires a different approach, a coordinated marketing and sales effort, supplemented by consulting and support &#8211; i.e. all the extra weight that makes enterprise software &#8220;big and fat&#8221;. Yet Zoho just throws it out in the open, like they did with Writer, Sheet or any one of the dozen or so productivity tools.  <em>They have no clue how to market enterprise software!</em> &#8211; one might say&#8230; and do they, really?</p>
<p>Simply announcing enterprise software  without marketing and sales is certainly a risky proposition.  Any startup that does with their main product is doomed to fail.   Yet Zoho can afford an experiment.  The new HCM system is just one product in their portfolio, in fact the entire Zoho portfolio is just a big experiment of the parent company, privately held and profitable Adventnet.   CEO Sridhar Vembu repeatedly stated his mission is to <a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2006/10/the_real_deal_s.html">commoditize software</a>, delivering it to large masses at previously unseen prices.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s all this talk about how SaaS changes the economics of Software &#8211; pull vs push process, try-and-buy vs. the expensive enterprise sales process;  but it mostly refers to the SMB space.   The try-and-buy, self-serve model is almost unheard of amongst larger organizations and more complex software.  It <em>traditionally</em> needs more cajoling and hand-holding.  But why not break away from tradition?  Why should all innovation stay on the product side?  Zoho goes the extra mile to make the new system more &#8220;consumable&#8221;:  screenshot tours, demo videos abound. Of course <a href="http://pages.citebite.com/c3v2h4i4dckv">disruptive pricing</a> does not hurt, either.</p>
<p>If Zoho People fails to gain traction, so be it: the company will likely focus on their main avenue of becoming the IT provider for SMB&#8217;s, integrate features from People into Zoho Business and CRM, and figure out how to crack the HCM market later.  If, however it starts gaining traction, it&#8217;s a good signal to the entire SaaS industry: an indication that transparency, online information and help works, the try-and-buy model may just be feasible even with larger organizations, which, for the first time will <em>buy</em> Software as a Service instead of being <em>sold to</em> by pushy enterprise sales teams.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I am an Advisor for Zoho.)</p>
<p>Related posts:  <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8197">Between the Lines</a>,  <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/general/introducing-zoho-people/">Zoho Blogs</a>, <a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2008/03/leap---lightl-1.html">Deal Architect</a>, <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/zoho-people-launch">Centernetworks</a>, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/zoho-people-man.html">Wired</a>, <a href="http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/is-startup-software-bought-or-sold-startups-discover-demand-they-dont-create-it-and-zoho-hcm-is-out/">SmoothSpan Blog</a>,  <a href="http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=7676">GeekZone</a>, <a href="http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9889596-2.html?part=rss&amp;tag=feed&amp;subj=Webware">Webware</a>, <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/03/10/zoho-launches-hr-app-for-smaller-companies/">Venturebeat</a>, <a href="http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/03/10/zoho-people-web-worker-opportunity/">Web Worker Daily</a>, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/zoho-people-launches-for-free-does-salesforcecom-have-anything-to-worry-about/">TechCrunch</a>,  <a href="http://biztwozero.com/btz/2008/03/11/zoho-a-cloud-based-hr-system-for-medium-and-small-businesses/">Business Two Zero</a>, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Howlett/?p=337">Irregular Enterprise</a>.</p>
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		<title>Zoho Enters Human Resources Market with Zoho People.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ (I broke up my originally long post into two pieces: this one about the product announcement, and the next one with the business analysis)
Zoho, best known for their Web-based Productivity (Office+) Suite today released Zoho People, a feature-rich On-Demand HRMS &#8211; Human Resources Management System.
Several modules support the work of managers, HR professionals:

Organization for [...]]]></description>
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<p>Zoho, best known for their Web-based Productivity (Office+) Suite today released <a href="http://people.zoho.com/">Zoho People</a>, a feature-rich On-Demand HRMS &#8211; Human Resources Management System.</p>
<p>Several modules support the work of managers, HR professionals:</p>
<ul>
<li>Organization for defining corporate and departmental structure</li>
<li>Recruitment for managing recruitment processes and maintaining resume databases</li>
<li>Checklist for defining business processes and workflows in the organization</li>
<li>Forms  for defining custom business forms using the integrated Zoho Creator</li>
<li>Dashboard to overview it all</li>
</ul>
<p>All the setup, be it form changes, new forms or field, org chart changes ..etc happens via a friendly drag-and-drop interface.</p>
<p>While all the above is for Management, HR, perhaps Training, Travel professionals, most &#8220;regular&#8221; employees in a company would only access the  <strong>Self Service Module</strong>, which is split to an Employee and a Manager Self-Service section. Requests can be sent  to the HR department on job openings, employees can submit information like Expense Reports, Vacation, Training Requests to the relevant departments/managers as pre-defined in the workflow&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>For a detailed feature overview, watch <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/770428">this demo video</a>.</p>
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<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/770428/l:embed_770428">Zoho People</a> from <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/user170701/l:embed_770428">Raju Vegesna</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com/l:embed_770428">Vimeo</a>.</p>
<p>The application is currently in Beta, and for the Beta period it will be free, independent of the number of users.  After the Beta pricing will likely involve a dual scheme, with ad-hoc users (regular employee accessing Self Service) paying less than full users (typically HR professionals.)  While no numbers have been announced, Zoho claims the blended price level will be disruptive &#8211; something to the scale of Zoho CRM, which is about 10% of the cost of it&#8217;s main competitor.</p>
<p>Talk about CRM, it&#8217;s worth mentioning that while Zoho&#8217;s fame comes from the Office Suite (or the extended suite of Productivity Apps), this is not their first foray into business applications.   <a href="http://people.zoho.com/">Zoho People</a> joins <a href="http://crm.zoho.com">Zoho CRM</a>, <a href="http://meeting.zoho.com">Zoho Meeting</a>, <a href="http://projects.zoho.com">Zoho Projects</a> and <a href="http://db.zoho.com">Zoho DB</a>.  Below is an overview of the entire Zoho Portfolio:</p>
<p><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2323992364_2487c1f305.jpg" /></p>
<p><em>Please read my <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2008/03/10/zoho-people-will-it-disrupt-or-fail/">next post for a business analysis</a> on what Zoho&#8217;s entry to the HCM space means.</em></p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I am an Advisor for Zoho.)</p>
<p>Related posts:  <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8197">Between the  Lines</a>,  <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/general/introducing-zoho-people/">Zoho Blogs</a>, <a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2008/03/leap---lightl-1.html">Deal  Architect</a>, <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/zoho-people-launch">Centernetworks</a>, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/zoho-people-man.html">Wired</a>,</p>
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		<title>Zoho Expands Group Collaboration</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s Zoho Writer update is not what it looks like. Yes, I get the story about:

DocX Support
Thesaurus (in 10 languages)
Enhanced Endnotes/Footnotes
Enhanced Headers/Footers

..etc, but that&#8217;s not what I find exciting.   DocX support?  Personally, I don&#8217;t care, MS Office 2003 was the last version I bought, people much smarter than me call it a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F02%2F27%2Fzoho-expands-group-collaboration%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F02%2F27%2Fzoho-expands-group-collaboration%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Today&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/writer/zoho-writer-update-docx-support-thesaurus-group-sharing-more/">Zoho Writer update</a> is not what it looks like. Yes, I get the story about:</p>
<ul>
<li>DocX Support</li>
<li>Thesaurus (in 10 languages)</li>
<li>Enhanced Endnotes/Footnotes</li>
<li>Enhanced Headers/Footers</li>
</ul>
<p>..etc, but that&#8217;s not what I find exciting.   DocX support?  Personally, I don&#8217;t care, MS Office 2003 was the last version I bought, people much smarter than me call it a <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html">completely insane</a> format &#8230; but hey, the Borg is the market leader, so why not support it&#8230;   Layout improvements?  I&#8217;m already in a <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/11/14/zoho-suite-gaining-muscle/">paperless world</a>, barely ever print, so I don&#8217;t really care about these features.  But Microsoft Office was created at a time when the purpose of document creation was to eventually print it, and in our legacy world the challenger is measured against the standards of the incumbent, so, yes,  I can accept these are important features for Writer.   Besides, the academic / student community has been dying for endnotes / footnotes, so now they can have it. <img src="http://spaces.live.com/rte/emoticons/smile_shades.gif" alt="smile_shades" /></p>
<p>But the hidden bomb here isn&#8217;t just a Writer improvement: it&#8217;s a feature that shows Zoho&#8217;s hands regarding collaboration in the entire Zoho Business Suite.   Yes, I am talking about <strong>Group Sharing</strong>.  After all, one of the key drivers behind moving to web-based Office applications is to enable easier collaboration.</p>
<p>Most of the collaborative apps, including Zoho or mighty Google typically  allow either public sharing, or inviting users individually, but until now there has been no way to share your documents with a predefined set of users, i.e. members of a group.  A year and a half ago I praised <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/10/06/google-groups-beta-brings-collaboration/">Google Groups</a> for stepping out of being just a group email mechanism, becoming a mini community/collaborative platform &#8211; but the definition of a &#8220;group&#8221;, i.e.it&#8217;s members does not exist outside the Groups application, I can&#8217;t share Google Docs or Spreadsheets with my Group. (And make no mistake it&#8217;s been the same with Zoho until now.)</p>
<p>With today&#8217;s update you can now create a Group in the ‘<a href="https://accounts.zoho.com/">My Account</a>‘ section of Zoho, and that Group is recognizable in any other Zoho Application, including Writer, Sheet or even Zoho Mail.  Eventually there will be multiple privacy / sharing levels within the Zoho Universe:</p>
<ul>
<li>private</li>
<li>shared with individual email id&#8217;s</li>
<li>shared with Groups (defined once, recognized in all apps)</li>
<li>shared by Domain (i.e. share info within your business)</li>
</ul>
<p>The last one will be a feature of <a href="http://business.zoho.com">Zoho Business</a>, currently in private Beta, but the other two are available.  Thesaurus in 10 languages, format and layout improvements are all nice, but the real news of the day is the improved cross-application collaboration.</p>
<p>Related posts:  <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/27/zoho-writer-gets-an-update%e2%80%94more-than-one-million-documents-served/">TechCrunch</a>, <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/02/27/zoho-writer-updates-2/">Mashable</a>,  <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/zoho_writer_adds_new_features.php">ReadWriteWeb</a>, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/02/zoho-writer-add.html">Wired</a>,  <a href="http://www.labnol.org/internet/office/word-2003-convert-doc-to-docx-file-format-online-zoho-writer/2422/">Digital Inspiration</a>, <a href="http://blogs.zoho.com/writer/zoho-writer-update-docx-support-thesaurus-group-sharing-more/">Zoho Blogs</a>.</p>
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		<title>NetBooks: Integrated SaaS Suite for Very Small Businesses. Almost.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zoli Erdos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ When I started this post 2 months ago, it had a more tongue-in-cheek working title: NetBooks &#8211; the Little Gem in Hiding &#8211; clearly a play on Dennis Howlett&#8217;s&#160; post, NetBooks &#8211; a little gem.&#160; That&#8217;s because despite Dennis&#8217;s positive review of this new SaaS solution for small businesses I found their website a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F02%2F19%2Fnetbooks-integrated-saas-suite-for-very-small-businesses-almost%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoliblog.com%2F2008%2F02%2F19%2Fnetbooks-integrated-saas-suite-for-very-small-businesses-almost%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.netbooks.com/"><img style="margin: 0px 10px 5px 0px" src="http://www.netbooks.com/images/logo-header1.gif" align="left"></a> When I started this post 2 months ago, it had a more tongue-in-cheek working title: <em>NetBooks &#8211; the Little Gem in Hiding</em> &#8211; clearly a play on Dennis Howlett&#8217;s&nbsp; post, <a href="http://www.accmanpro.com/2007/11/30/netbooks-a-little-gem/">NetBooks &#8211; a little gem</a>.&nbsp; That&#8217;s because despite Dennis&#8217;s positive review of this new SaaS solution for small businesses I found their website a major turn-off .&nbsp;&nbsp; I did not find a feature-list, screen prints, demos: the closest they had was a contact form to request a scheduled demo.&nbsp; Failure!&nbsp; <em>You can&#8217;t reach the &#8220;long tail&#8221; of the market via outbound sales;</em> your site needs to be absolutely transparent, so potential customers can find all feature / price information at their fingertips, then just try-and-buy.&nbsp; </p>
<p>But what a difference a few weeks make!&nbsp; Having checked back, now <a href="http://www.netbooks.com/index.html">NetBooks</a> offers decent <a href="http://www.netbooks.com/product.php">product information</a>, online videos, in fact you can now set up a free <a href="http://www.netbooks.com/free_trial_account.php">trial account with sample data</a> in minutes.&nbsp; (While it looks like just another contact form, the process is automated, I received my email confirmation within a minute.) Self-navigation definitely beats just watching vid&#8217;s. Kudos to NetBooks for fixing a major shortcoming so fast!&nbsp; (Note to self: don&#8217;t leave half-written posts, they may have a short shelf-life&#8230;)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the actual system now.&nbsp; NetBooks aims to be an On-Demand integrated business management solution for small manufacturing businesses &#8211; in fact for other types of businesses, too, as long as they hold inventory and ship tangible products.&nbsp; They cater for&nbsp; what they call True Small Businesses (TSB), which I referred to as&nbsp; <a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/2006/05/10/smb-sme-have-become-obsolete-acronyms/">VSB &#8211; very small businesses</a>, the &#8220;S&#8221; in SMB / SME.&nbsp; Typically companies with less then 25 employees, sometimes only 3-5, and, most importantly, without professional IT support, hence Software as a Service is a life-saver.</p>
<p>NetBooks tries to cover a complete business cycle, from opportunity through sales, manufacturing, inventory / warehouse management, shipping, billing, accounting &#8211; some with more success then others.&nbsp; Manufacturing, Inventory, Shipping and their integration to Accounting appear to be a stronghold.&nbsp; If you&#8217;re in sales, you&#8217;d like to see a Sales Catalog, if you&#8217;re in the warehouse, you want an Inventory List, and if you are in manufacturing, you need a Production Elements list: they are all one and the same, allowing you to define a product structure (Bill of Materials, BOM) with different physical characteristics, reorder points, pricing levels, warehousing requirements, marketing notes&#8230;etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; In other words, different functions can update their own slice of the same information and it&#8217;s shared with others (of course in a small business several of these functions may very well be carried out by the same person.)</p>
<p>Not having any procurement / purchasing functions appears to be a glaring omission: after all, if you&#8217;re in manufacturing, you will likely need to buy some components / materials.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Another function, nominally present, but rather weak is CRM.&nbsp; I can set up a Revenue Opportunity list, track contacts, events, even financial terms per record, but what&#8217;s the point if I can&#8217;t turn these into a Quote, later a Sales Order?&nbsp; In fact I have to start a sales order from scratch, and it does not update the opportunities: unless you close them out, they will show as prospects long after you shipped the order, invoiced the customer and received payment. </p>
<p>Sales Order creation appears to be&nbsp; a watershed event in NetBooks: that&#8217;s when the system comes alive, integration gets better from here, with information flowing through nicely.&nbsp; Completing the order creates a shipping document, confirmation of the shipment creates a a billing request, invoice.&nbsp; Even external services are integrated well, like UPS for Online Shipping and PayCycle for payroll .&nbsp; There&#8217;s a complete &#8220;document trail&#8221;, you can start from the accounting side, too: from Accounts Payable (invoice) you can trace all actions back to the shipping doc, sales order&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>I understand why Dennis with his accounting background <a href="http://www.accmanpro.com/2007/11/30/netbooks-a-little-gem/">considered this system a gem</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>As an accountant by training I often make the mistake of taking the number cruncher’s view. On this occasion I don’t have to. The way NetBooks is organized, you enter it according to the role you fulfill. That means you only ever need use the screens that are pertinent to you.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Real-world people record their real-world transactions: manufacturing, physical movement of goods, and the system records the facts in Accounting.&nbsp; NetBooks&nbsp; is an accounting system at it&#8217;s heart, but one without the need to deal with accounting screens.&nbsp; This should not come as a surprise, given Founder Ridgley Evers&#8217;s own background: he was co-founder at QuickBooks, the de facto standard for small businesses.</p>
<p>Most of the sample data in the NetBooks trial system appear to have come from Evers&#8217;s real-life business: <a href="http://www.davero.com/davero-home.php">Davero Ingredienti</a>, a purveyor of olive oil products, and I think this very well represents the type of small business NetBooks may be ideal for: relatively stable, has a good repeat customer base, receives a&nbsp; lot of inbound orders and needs to execute on manufacturing and shipping to these customers.&nbsp; It badly lacks stronger Sales features, and a more flow-oriented thinking to support aggressively growing businesses.</p>
<p>The User Interface is nothing to call home about. You certainly won&#8217;t find the lively charts and dashboards seen at Salesforce.com, NetSuite, SugarCRM, Zoho CRM &#8230;etc.&nbsp; But having a simplistic UI is one thing, making it outright boring is another, and hard to use is a capital crime.&nbsp; In NetBooks you basically navigate through small text lists, then double -click on an item to drill down to more details, wait long (the system, at least the trial one feels very slow) for several overlapping screens to pop up. You have to close or move around some of these pop-ups to see what&#8217;s underneath.&nbsp; And whoever came up with the idea of clicking on those tiny arrows should be banned from web design for life.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>
<p><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2276678634_6c2b640484.jpg"> </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Seriously, this isn&#8217;t just the lack of rounded-corners-gradient-colors web 2.0 goodness: the poor UI, the microscopic arrows to click on render NetBooks a pain to use.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve been quite critical in this review, I still like the NetBooks concept: give very small businesses an integrated system they previously could not afford. NetBooks starts at $200/month for 5 users, additional users seats are $20.&nbsp; That&#8217;s a fraction of the current &#8220;gold standard&#8221; in the space, NetSuite &#8211; although the step up to NetSuite also brings a wealth of new functionality.&nbsp; Finally, SAP&#8217;s Business ByDesign is worth mentioning: when it becomes widely available, it will be the most function-rich SMB SaaS solution &#8211; but their entry point is about where NetBooks&#8217;s upper limit is.</p>
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