Zooomr Powered by Zoho – Launch!


For the past three four days we’ve been witnessing a great example for the power of community. Zooomr, “The Little Photo Sharing Site That Could… ” has been down for 12 days now. Unfortunately, not for the first timesmile_sad

A few months ago after a failed attempt to upgrade to a major new release, Mark III, Zooomr had to roll back to the previous release, and the whole affair cost two days of outage. In fact the service has never been particularly reliable, temporary outages and slow-downs are quite common. (I know this first-hand, whenever they go down, my blog looks ugly with just placeholders instead of images.)

Then, on March 21st TechCrunch announced the Launch of Zooomr Mark III, with a better look and a host of new features. This post turned out to be premature: the launch failed. Readers who clicked through found a dead site – instead of the Zooomr they could watch Founder Kristopher Tate on, and some blurb on the Zooomr blog about technical difficulties. (I still can’t decide what’s more exciting: Kristopher sleeping live or doing the same…) On a side-note, this may very well be TechCrunch’s worst blunder ever, and uncharacteristically of Mike, no correction has been posted ever since.

Days later Zooomr was still off-line. Failing twice so spectacularly, along with the smaller problems would normally be enough to bury any startup – except Zooomr, which has a cult-like fan-base undeterred by anything. Is it the product features? Or the fact that Kris was 17 when he started working on it? I can’t figure out the magic, I just sense its presencesmile_wink.

On the eighth day after the TechCrunch announcement, Zooomr Mark III came up live – for a grand total of 10-15 minutes, when their database server crashed. This appeared to be the last straw… Thomas and Kris realized they needed help. The Zooomr site now has a button to make a donation, and Robert Scoble posted a call for help. Zooomr users, at least the more vocal ones still did not lose their faith; they kept on cheering Kristopher, thanking him for his heroic effort… it looks like in the Zooomr world trying hard is good enough… Wednesday morning Zooomr’s PayPal donation account was over $1,500 – some chipped in $5, others $20-30. “Normal” startups would kill to have such dedicated fans/users – I don’t know how Zooomr achieved such status, but any service with such a fanatic fan-base is worth saving… and the saviors arrived soon: first Zoho, then Sun.

Zoho offered its data center and and an additional server to replace the dead one, with identical configuration. Zoho’s Raju Vegesna spent the entire day with the Zooomr team, moving/installing their gear, and configuring the new server. Users and the world could follow the entire process on Then word got out that Sun offered one of their “big irons” a Thumper for a 60-day loan. By midnight all the servers were configured, the day ended on a positive note, which is certainly reflected in the flood of enthusiastic thank-you letters Zooomr users sent to Zoho:

Subject :You guys ROCK!

================ Forwarded Mail ===============

You’re willingness to lend a helping hand to Kris and Thomas of Zooomr is simply awesome!

As a member of the Zooomr community, I say thank you and YOU GUYS ROCK!

Subject :Way to go!

================ Forwarded Mail ===============

I wanted to send you this email, saluting your efforts to help a fellow Web 2.0 visionary organization, Zooomr.

I am a Zooomr user, and a proud member of the ZooomrNation. With their recent server problems, I knew that only a select few would even entertain a conversation with the struggling Zooomr crew.

So, thanks. Thanks for your help in our time of need. You are our Samaritan.

[name removed], proud new user of

The last letter shows Zoho may have picked up a few users in the process – well, I’ve said before, you don’t have to be entirely altruistic to do good.smile_regular

If Day 1 of the crisis (day 10 counting from the failed Launch) brought progress, Day 2 turned out to be a soap opera.

No status update anywhere on Zooomr’ site or blog: the only “information” available is watching Kristopher Tate sleep live on OK, he needs to sleep.. but when he wakes up around 11am, he spends another hour in bed chatting on Dude, your system is down, but now you have all the hardware you need get out of bed, do something!

By the time he finally arrives to the data center, the Sun team is there with the Thumper. It turns out their machine needs 240V power and the site only has 110V. Phone calls, consultation… Sun finally says they can plug it in anyway, even though it’s not officially supported. Oops… it draws way too much power. More phone calls… finally the Sun team pulls out half the drives and declares the server is safe to use this way. A few minutes after they leave, the server goes down. If these comments are half right, better be careful guys, you may be liable for a crippled Sun!

Never mind the Sun server, it turns out the dead original server may not be so dead after all. Scoble, be proud, Michael Dell is reading your blog! He personally emailed a Dell tech to get over to Zooomr… and voila’ – by late evening the original “dead” Dell server is fixed. In the meantime Kris chats with the Ustream crowd, telling them he intends to bring Zooomr back up on the fixed Dell server.

But by now, two days into the crisis everyone wants to help: a Microsoft Evangelist says “call anytime”. Late evening Kris and Scoble chat on Ustream about how to contact this MS guy. But more advice is the last thing Kristopher needs – all he needs is focus on getting the system back online. Late evening he rattles off a number of hurdles he still needs to overcome, listing the power consumption problem as the main one. This obsession with the Sun machine is becoming a distraction. More about that tomorrow…

Day 3 (day 12 offline) early morning finds Kristopher in the data center – looks like he spent the night there, and there’s a Sun rep with him. Heroic effort, but why? He must feel like a kid in a candy store… wants to have all those goodies around him – understandable, but that should not be the priority right now. He’s had all the hardware he needed since Wednesday night, why isn’t he focusing on getting the service back online?

I’ve never thought I would agree with Shelley Powers one day – she often attacks people and tends to be mean. Her comments on Scoble’s blog were somewhat vicious… but I have to admit she raises valid points. Zooomr is a great service (when it runs) but is far from being a professionally managed company, as recognized CEO Thomas Hawk himself. Forget all previous blunders, let’s just focus on the current crisis:

  • No communication to users for days – *CEO* MIA for the second day. “Cool” (childish ?) videos instead of facts.
  • No clear action plan to bring to service back.
  • Fiddling around with additional equipment that’s a nice-to-have but not needed to bring Zooomr online.

I am not questioning Kristopher’s good intentions. He is thinking of the “bigger picture” – wants all the server capacity he can have, upgrade to the new system with all the bells & whistles, fix some of their scalability issues (MySQL vs. PostgreSQL)… you name it. He wants it all perfect, and perhaps thinks now at day 12 time really does not matter anymore .. just do everything right, however long it takes.

Good intentions aside, what he really needs now is razor-sharp focus on doing whatever it takes to bring Zooomr online now. When you run a Software-as-a-Service business, even if it’s all free, people, in this case 50-100,000 users become dependent on you – that’s a responsibility. Understanding that responsibility is what differentiates business leaders from dreamers – however well-intentioned, talented they are.

Don’t get me wrong, I still like Zooomr, the service, if and when it comes back. I like it mostly for the features (some of which found their way into Flickr) and the attention they paid to bloggers when they gave us all Pro accounts in the early days. Other users will stick around for the community – arguably the biggest value Zooomr has now.

It’s for this community, and the 50-100,000 users (different numbers float around) that I thank Zoho, Sun and the numerous individual users who donated, for stepping up to help save Zooomr. The “saving” part is done. I’ve been updating this article for three days now – I am hitting “post” in the hope there will not be a Day 4 (13), because we’ll see Zooomr live today. It’s up to Kristopher now.

Update (6/2): Day 4 arrived and Zooomr is still down, but there are signs of life coming back. Static photos were back up yesterday (older blog posts no longer show a placeholder for images), and the Zooomr blog is live again. Robert Scoble drove Kristopher back to the Zoho data center for another long night session, and Zoho’s Raju Vegesna also arrived. At about 2am it looked like all the hardware issues were resolved, and Zooomr may be restarted later today – after Kristopher gets some sleep.

Update (6/2, 11:08PM): Zooomr Mark III Launched just this minute. It appears to be working.11:25PM: It’s down. 11:35PM It’s up. Well, I’m not going to declare this a Launch until at least tomorrow…

Update (6/3): Check out the Zoomr and Zoho blogs for updates.

Update (6/3):  The Zooomr Saga Continues

Update (7/25): Sleeping on the job.

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  2. Anonymous says

    Who in their right mind import from Flickr to Zooomr after this debacle?

  3. Thomas Hawk says

    Hey Zoli. Zooomr’s blog (believe it or not) presently is having problems. It might have something to do with the fact that we temporarily moved the Zooomr main site over to the blog’s site when we went down. We are working on that though.

    In terms of Kristopher’s efforts. Obviously getting the Sun machine up, configured and running, was not as easy as we’d hoped. The reason why a Sun rep was in there with Kristopher all morning was to hopefully get this resolved. We certainly weren’t familiar with the hardware configuration to begin with to anticipate the power problem.

    But we do think it will be better for Zooomr longer term to have the Sun box as a resource and want to get that online before just turning it back on. Especially in light of the large potential number of photos that could be transferred over to Zooomr when we release our Flickr to Zooomr importer, having an adequate storage solution will be important.

    With the recovery of the Dell system this allowed us to do something important which was to get our static photos back up online (i.e. your blogged photos on Zooomr work now).

    We are very close to getting the Sun machine in line with the system, but after spending all afternoon and all night and most of this morning down at the data center he physically just crashed. He took a Cal Train back up to the City and will get some sleep and turn around and head right back down there. We hope to have the service back up this weekend some time.

    I’ve been around chatting with folks online as I can. Earlier today. Late last night. I was down at the data center with Kristopher yesterday afternoon. I had to take off to go to my son’s baseball awards dinner. He’s six and got his first trophy ever and well some things like that are just too important to miss.

    Although I lack the technical expertise to help Kristopher I have been communicating regularly with our community, most of which are very supportive as you note.

    We are a two man team trying to pull off a dream. We want to build the first truly global photo sharing site and for the first time open up the $2.5 billion stock photography market to the entire world. These are big goals and ambitions. But we are just two guys. We are doing the best that we can and I think that people understand that.

    It’s easy for people to take potshots at Zooomr when we are down. But we will be back up. We will get back online. And these growing pains will be a part of our history. But we will always remember the people who stood by us in our troubles and I think the support that they are giving us is something that you can’t understand because what they know that you may not is that we are doing this for them.

    We are personally sacrificing much to make a better global photosharing site and to make it possible for everyone — even kids in India and China — to be able to sell photos to the rest of the world.

    I think that most of our users understand how and why we are having problems. We’ve been nothing but transparent about that. You might think the blog is a better vehicle to communicate with than Ustream and chat and we will post there again as soon as Kristopher gets our posting stuff back up there too, but we are most certainly communicating.

    If we weren’t I wouldn’t be commenting on your blog right now.

    Enjoy your sleep this weekend, we’ll be working.

  4. I would absolutely transfer my photos from Flickr to Zooomr after these “growing pains” are out of the way and have moved into the past.

    From what I have seen and heard, the Zooomr feature-set introduced in Mark III have improved considerably and are more to my liking compared to what I have found on Flickr. And the community feel is much, much stronger with Zooomr.

    Not to mention the stock photography features coming in the near future.

  5. Zoli Erdos says

    Hi Thomas,

    Thanks for commenting in detail. 

    Re.  communication: any stranger can still post comments to your last blog entry, so at a minimum you should still be able to do it.  Is it better than   C’mon, even active chat participants ask for an update when they log in to ustream – otherwise how would they know?  And that’s only 150 of your 50k users.  The rest are the more passive users, who don’t follow the drama step by step. They just notice the service is down, come to the homepage and don’t find updates there.  Do you think they will take the time to watch a streaming video for hours trying to decipher what’s going on?

    But we do think it will be better for Zooomr longer term to have the Sun box” .  You may very well be right (even though it’s just a loaner, and you know the only way you can keep it is to get quickly funded). The issue is prioritization.  Again, 50k users are locked out of their data – yes, even pictures are data that some might want to access.  Reliabilty is #1 for any SaaS provider – and yes, that’s what you are.  Your getting feedback from the 150 strong minority, your absolute fans, but are making decisions for the other 50K.  How do you know how many of them you’ll lose after this?   There’s a credibility issue on two fronts: first, the ability to restore service in a timely manner, but more importantly, second, your own thinking, priorities, which clearly shows you’d rather do all the nice-to-have’s, long term stuff ..etc than restoring access quickly.        

    To put it bluntly: an unwritten rule of SaaS is to restore access ASAP. Improvements come after that. You’re violating that rule, and the sad thing is you don’t even think it’s a big deal.

    We are a two man team trying to pull off a dream. . We are doing the best that we can and I think that people understand that.” That I absolutely agree with, I hope it was clear in my post.

    you can’t understand because what they know that you may not is that we are doing this for them.”   Oh, man, if  only you knew … 🙂

  6. Anonymous says

    Why I won’t move my photos from flickr? because when they release mark 4 they will most definitely start a new bad page in their history! This “company” is unreliable and do not tell me it is beta!

    They had problems when they were releasing the 2nd version of zooomr, with similar symptoms. The photos in all blogs were out and etc.

    They blame the problem on RAID failure again. What seems a strange coincidence is that they always have Hardware failures! (and now luck of communication blamed on the blog!)

    In Zooomr 2, some of the photos were corrupted and they “compensate” the users with PRO4Life accounts. I do not care to save a few $$$ and end up with corrupted data!

    My point is that they did not gained any experience from the previous failed launch attempts. Back in October they had a delayed launch attempt again and on March the launch failed completely. Now the launch is delayed 13 days, and we do not yet know if the photos in their database are corrupted. Do you trust this company with your photos? Personally I don’t!

    If Kris and Thomas wants people to take them seriously they should invest on reliability and hire a few developers. They are always hiding behind the excuse “We are only 2 people, 1 developer”. Zooomr hire some stuff! unless you believe that nobody else is good as Kris! I would rather pay and use a reliable and stable service rather than a free unreliable and unstable.

    Just ask yourself this: What do you want all these features if the site is unavailable? Your blogged photos are offline? and How do you trust a company with so many RAID failure?

  7. Anonymous says

    Damn. You need to go to grammar school.

  8. Anonymous says

    I do! 🙂

  9. Sean McGee says

    “This was a terribly disappointing thing for Kristopher and I and certainly one of the low points of our experience with Zooomr thus far.”–Zooomr Blog

    “You’re violating that rule, and the sad thing is you don’t even think it’s a big deal.” — Zoli

    It sounds to me like they think it’s a big deal.

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